Sep, 3, 2011; Chapel Hill, NC, USA; James Madison Dukes quarterback Justin Thorpe (7) is sacked by North Carolina Tar Heels defensive end Quinton Coples (90) in the fourth quarter. The Tar Heels defeated the Dukes 42-10 at Kenan Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Bob Donnan-US PRESSWIRE

Draft Day Trade Scenario: Will the Bolts Move up?


When the Chargers pick at #18 in the 2012 NFL Draft there will be a few players off the board that they would have loved to see in blue and gold, that’s why they should target the Seattle Seahawks and their twelfth pick for a draft day trade.  We know if AJ wants a certain guy he is willing to make the deal necessary to get that said player,  (See Ryan Matthews and Eric Weddle) and this year could be more of the same.  There is a significant drop off in talent between the top two pass rush specialists and the rest of the field,  and with a couple of other teams in the hunt for the next DeMarcus Ware the Bolts would have to move in to the top twelve to acquire one of these prospects.  The Seahawks and Pete Caroll have shown that they can be had for a price that works in the other teams favor and AJ Smith has shown that he doesn’t mind being on that receiving end (see Charlie Whitehurst).  So if the twelfth pick could be had for a reasonable cost, say a first round swap plus our second and fourth round picks should the chargers pull the trigger and move up to select one of these two players? What say you?

November 26, 2011; Columbia, SC, USA; Clemson Tigers quarterback Tajh Boyd (10) is pressures by South Carolina Gamecocks defensive end Melvin Ingram (6) on a pass play in the first quarter of the game at the Williams-Brice Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Daniel Shirey-US PRESSWIRE

 

Melvin Ingram  DE  South Carolina

Height:  6’2″  Weight:  264 lbs.

Strengths:  Elite pass rush potential.  Has the the rare combination of size, speed, and skills to make him an immediate success at the next level.  Has a variety of moves to get to the QB, and shows that if his first burst isn’t successful his second will be.  Doesn’t stop, high motor throughout the entire play and simply dominates opposing tight ends.

Weaknesses:  Still must prove that he can handle NFL running backs in the flat if he’s to play OLB, and will have to keep improving his run defense to be considerd elite.  Had issues being slow of the snap but his althleticism bailed him out at the college level.

NOTE:  I really like Ingram, he’s tough and nasty as they come.  He’s already had an interview with the Chargers at the Senior Bowl so AJ has had a look at his play and had a chance to get a bearing on his character.  This guys got the perfect build for a OLB in the 3-4 defensive scheme and has been compared to Dwight Freeney when it comes to initial burst and the spin move right around tackles and tight ends.  The Chargers would be set with Sean Phillips and Ingram coming off the edges on passing downs and Jarrett Johnson could mentor the rookie on his run defense.

 

Quinton Coples  DE  North Carolina

Height:  6’6″  Weight:  284

Strengths:  Explosion off the ball, knocks linemen back with speed and strength.  Has very long arms which give him leverage over his opponent and excellent balance at the point of attack.  Quick feet and good burst for his size, has an elite bull rush.

Weaknesses:  Seemed to disappear for a number of plays at a time, usually against elite college linemen.  Was part of the NCAA investigation into players attending draft day functions so character may be a concern.  Oversized to play OLB, which might limit him to 4-3 defenses.

NOTE:  Coples is a monster when he shows up and could be used in the same fashion that Wade Phillips uses Mario Williams in the Texans 3-4 scheme.  This is a really tough call for me because he would heave to learn the position from scratch.  Realistically though, you give this guy a three foot running start there’s no way anyone going to stop him one on one.  He would not only demand double teams but in turn open up holes for other linebackers.  It would be a risky pick but could pay dividends in the end.

With these being the top rated pass rushers in the draft, do you think the Chargers should make a play and trade up with Seattle or maybe another team within the 9-12 range?  It would be a move that let the fans know they are committed to putting a dominant defense on the field, even though it would be considered a high price to pay.  Let me know your thoughts Charger fans, we’ll continue our mock draft with round two this week so stay tuned.

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Tags: 2012 NFL Draft A.J. Smith Charlie Whitehurst Demarcus Ware Dwight Freeney Eric Weddle Houston Texans Mario Williams Melvin Ingram North Carolina Pete Carrol Popular Quinton Coples Ryan Mathews Seattle Seahawks South Carolina

  • Trinidadflores1

    Quniton coples us what I’ve been talking about. He’s a monster and worth trading up for.

  • ibesyke

    @chargersbuzztap giving up two picks? Hmmm. Don’t we need to get a CB with one of those picks? Pass rusher is a must do! Though

  • sdboltzfan

    not worth giving up our second to move up 6 spots. if the deals better maybe, but 18th will still have some quality players avail. Id rather trade up from our second round pick.

    • http://boltbeat.com/ epadaon

       @sdboltzfan i am with you on that!! stay at 18 and then move up from our round 2 spot

    • Sparticus

      @sdboltzfan But the last time we did that, the “experts” said we reached on Weddle. Bwhahahahaha.

  • Sparticus

    Way to steep…We need a SS, OG, OLB, and DE. We can fill two of those positions with the first two picks.

    • Sparticus

      Correction…..We need a SS, OG, and OLB. We can fill two of those positions with the first two picks.

      • http://boltbeat.com/ epadaon

         @Sparticus hahahaha… must have saw the Castillo signing! so nice!

      • A_Eme_O_Ere

         @Sparticus If we move down we could get that extra 2nd rounder and fill 3 of those needs. So, we could get Smith or Iloka at safety, Perry or McClellin at OLB and any number of guys to replace Clary. 

        • A_Eme_O_Ere

           @Sparticus However, I still think that AJ, because of the depth in this draft at the DT position, wouldn’t hesitate to pull the trigger if he could get someone who had a higher upside than Cam Thomas and Garay.

  • Trinidadflores1

    We need a 10+ sack pass rusher, can we get that in the first or second round. We have a team full of depth now we need that game changer.

    • http://boltbeat.com/ epadaon

       @Trinidadflores1 we need a pass rusher and we still need a safety… unless you think stuckey or bigby can get it done

      • BoogaP

         @epadaon
         Shea McClellin of Boise St is our guy for pass-rushing OLB, if we take Barron if he is there at 18. 
         
        Not sure why ppl are calling for Coples.  I think his lack of “every play” effort is the last thing we need on this team.  Bust candidate, imo.  If he doesn’t play all out in college I don’t feel he could do so in the NFL.  Even despite the money.

  • sdboltzfan

    We could conceivably get  Perry/Mercilus/Coples or even Barron in the First. Then trade up second for OLB/SS depending on what we get.
    My dream scenario is getting Coples/Perry in the first and Smith in the 2nd. Any good prospects for 3 and 4?  

  • Trinidadflores1

    Right on dream would be coples/perry 2nd smith 3rd RB fron SDSU. We messed up on giving up on todman waste of a pick last year.

  • http://boltbeat.com/ epadaon

    lamicheal james could be available in the 3rd round and i know @miketuck loves the sound of that… we probably need to get some defensive end or offensive line depth at that spot though….Ronnie Hillman might be available in the 4th.. maybe

    • Sparticus

      @epadaon @miketuck Give me Hillman or give me death. RH is a bit faster, stronger, taller, and heaver then LaMicheal. He also played behind a sub-par OL. If he could be had in the forth that is. LaMicheal is Too Short when standing next to Ron Dog….”I wish I was a little bit Taller, I wish I was a Baller….”

  • Trinidadflores1

    But I do agree with safety but a safety won’t change the game any more with a team with no pass rush. But Safety or CB is needed we can’t play man were too old n slow.

    • http://boltbeat.com/ epadaon

       @Trinidadflores1 most definitely.. get the pass rusher first and it will make everyone look better

  • sdboltzfan

    I was thinking Lamicheal in the third, but like you said we could probably use more depth at line positions. However, theres maybe some free agent backups we could take to cover the depth aspect and lock up LMJ in the third. He could be such a weapon for years to come.

  • 619chargers4life

    i would for them to trade up. but dont want them to lose that 2nd round pick.

    • http://boltbeat.com/ epadaon

       @619chargers4life we cant lose that 2nd pick.. we need to have that pick for a safery

      • 619chargers4life

         @epadaon ur exactly right. 

    • 619chargers4life

      *i would love*

      • BoogaP

         @619chargers4life
         I have been putting more thought into A.J. mortgaging the next draft, so to speak, to gain an extra pick without losing one of this year’s picks.  I think the idea was actually started on twitter by Gehlken of UT or somebody.  The more I think about it, though, that is what I would do.  If my job was going to be on the line the way that AJ’s is, then what would I lose in having one more first this year and one less first next year?  Article comes out tomorrow!  Teaser!

        • 619chargers4life

           @BoogaP that would be the biz if he could make that happen buts thats a big IF.  two first rounders this year would save everyone’s job lol if they spend it wisely. Honestly i hope AJ got some more tricks up his sleeve and turn this thing into a Dynasty. Far fetched but it could happen. Go Chargers

  • Trinidadflores1

    Lmj is going in second but w/o hesitating I would pick him up in 3rd. Our OFF is filled with speed now adding him will add another playmaker. But I want a But I want that 6 6 beast from the east. His size n strength u can’t teach TKO sp95 n JJ will only help him grow into a top 5 P.R.

  • MikeTuck

    I don’t know much about Coples but I know as history has shown us tall DE have a knack for knocking down passes. The taller the body the more room to fill in without getting over wieght for the position. I’m sorry about the drop off after the first two statement. Kiper and the ESPN East Coast bias can’t be trusted. Perry has more upside than Upshaw or Ingram. I’m tired of people getting sucked into the Kiper rating system, the track and field meet to judge players and the marketing staff at ESPN. They’ve had as many bust as they have winners. That is why we do have scouts. Trading up for the type DE they want is useless and will cost them more than it’s worth. Smith has gone out in free agency and filled alot of holes. The Draft will produce maybe two starters if luckey. We need guys that can develope in the next two years. Perry’s speed and size hasn’t even maxed out yet. And for those that question laMichael James being to small. The guy is a warrior, look at his numbers playing on a team with running QB and other RB’s and he played through some tough injurys. Football Players VS Marketed atheletes.

    • 619chargers4life

       @MikeTuck i would rather have the local boy Ronnie but thats just me. 

  • sdboltzfan

    Sounds like the consensus at this point is the Cowboys are taking Barron, which sucks because I was really hoping we could pick him up. If this is true then we will definitely be picking our pass rusher with first pick and trying for Smith in the second. If this is the case should we go Perry/Mercilus/Upshaw/ or Coples (if avail) in the first? 

    • http://boltbeat.com/ epadaon

       @sdboltzfan if those are my choices… going with mercilus or perry… probably Perry.. .was hoping we would get barron too

  • MikeTuck

     @epadaon & sdboltsfan: I’ll wager that we won’t go after a Safety until the 4th or 5th rd. I would like to see them get Trumaine johnson in the 3rd round if possible. he’d give it a go against Jammer and Cason and his size is solid.