Jan 25, 2010; Metairie, LA, USA; New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton speaks to the media about the Saints victory over the Minnesota Vikings and preparations for Super Bowl XLIV against the Indianapolis at a press conference held at the Saints team facility. Mandatory Credit: Derick E. Hingle-US PRESSWIRE

Collateral Damage – More Saints Penaties to Come


On Wednesday, the league dropped these penalties on the Saints management:

Saints head coach Sean Payton is suspended without pay for the entire 2012 season.

Former Saints/current Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is suspended indefinitely. (Goodell will review at end of 2012 season and consider whether to reinstate him.)

Saints GM Mickey Loomis is suspended without pay for the first eight regular-season games of the 2012 season.

Saints assistant head coach Joe Vitt is suspended without pay for the first six regular-season games of the 2012 season.

The Saints are stripped of their 2012 and 2013 second-round draft picks and have been hit with a $500,000 fine.

This series of penalties is a huge warning to anyone employed by the league to scratch the term “bounty” from their vocabulary.  But is it too much?  I understand Goodells hard line approach, but I fear this will put teams with big defensive hits under the microscope.

Gregg Wiliams is pretty much the guy who should be shouldering the most blame.  I think his indefinite suspension is harsh and expect Goodell to change his mind, but what did the Saints really do wrong?  They asked their defense to go out and beat the crap out of the opposing team.  To hit so hard that guys would not get up.   How is this any different than any teams defensive coaches at any level?

Over 20 players are named in the initial report.  They will feel the impact of their involvement later as the NFL is delaying the punishment to players because of the sheer volume of people involved and the diversity in sanctions that will be applied. In other words, they want to make sure people are properly punished.   Also, the NFLPA asked the NFL to delay discipline toward players until it finishes conducting its own investigation.  I feel so bad for these guys.  They were just doing their jobs.  Now they will be getting fined and possibly suspended.

This is such a waste of time, money and in my opinion good players and coaches.  Payton out for a season?  Might as well not even watch the Saints.  This is football.  Grown men who know the risks and can make their own decisions are playing this sport.  If they did not want to be involved in the “bounty” they said no.

When the Patriots were caught red handed cheating they got minor penalties. I think that was much worse than this and it all started with their weasel of a head coach.  The Saints got into trouble because their DC was tying to motivate the players.

Seems too heavy handed to me.

ChargerGirl Cindi

Tags: New Orleans Saints Sean Payton

  • http://boltbeat.com/ epadaon

    its really difficult for me to not compare this situation and the cheating situation that the new england patriots got into! i know they are 2 completely different issues, but one team was CHEATING!!! 
     
    This is football and these guys get hit for a living. People are trying to destroy them with or without a bounty. 

    • CindiSpears

       @epadaon It’s one of the reasons I love football. 

      • http://boltbeat.com/ epadaon

         @CindiSpears the Saints are going to be a MESS this coming season! 
         
        I dont even know if Gregg Williams will get a job again. Will someone give him a chance after this? 

        • CindiSpears

           @epadaonI’m sure the Raiders would love to have a guy like him. 

        • RMainwaring

           @CindiSpears lol! I know, right.

        • BoogaP

           @epadaon
           Brees will run the offense.  IMO, they’ll be fine.
           
          As far as Williams is concerned, he is a great defensive mind and I truly believe, in time, that this will all blow over.  Hard to believe now, I know.

  • BiG_Wo0dY

    @ChargerGrlCindi @fansided @epadaon Excellent article

    • ChargerGrlCindi

      @BiG_Wo0dY @fansided @epadaon Thank you! :D

  • RussellGrant

    It’s one thing to have players do a pool for the biggest hit.  Defenses are rewarded from Pop Warner on for good sticks and sacks.  If you see a helmet in college or high school with a lot of stickers, you know that’s the guy who will drop the hammer on you.  And that controlled violence is understood and encouraged in the NFL.
     
    What Payton is in deep crap over is the idea that there was an investigation two years ago over an institutionalized process of taking out players which Payton denied both to the NFL and the Saints.  Then the paper trail caught up to him.  Who the heck keeps a paper trail of THAT?  So hopefully he will be able to catch up on his fishing. 

    • RMainwaring

       @RussellGrant Incentives for “good sticks and sacks” are one thing but when you are paying players to intentionally put a guy in the hospital and/or ruining his livelihood is something completely uncalled for and shouldn’t be encouraged in any sport. 

      • CindiSpears

         @RandyMainwaring  @RussellGrant I agree that if there were calls to intentionally injure key players it was not acceptable.  But you want to see hard hitting.  The kind that makes you go “daaaaammmmnnn”.

      • RussellGrant

         @RandyMainwaring That’s what I said.  And that’s why The Saints are getting their punishment.  They systematically put the word out to try and injure players.  Add to that Payton lied to investigators.
         

  • KeenanRickless

    The real issue is this: If I were to pay you to hurt someone, you and I would both go to jail. That’s it. I understand you want to go out there and hurt someone, and that is one thing, but there is surely a difference. If you see the pics that Farvre posted after the game….Injuries like that don’t happen on a regular basis. Apparently when you have a bounty, the hits are just a little bit later and a little bit harder.

  • pels04

    One of the reasons Goodell  was so harsh is because they were warned by the league and they continued to do it. You guys probably already know this but players cant be awarded a bonus or any more money that isnt under contract. They are definitely being made an example which is what i think needs to be done. Its not fair to compare this with Spygate because they are 2 totally different things, both being wrong. The part i have a problem with this is that WiIliams is giving players an incentive to do whatever it takes to get the “targeted” player out of the game, legal or not. What happened to the saying “to be the best you have to beat the best”? Not to purposely take the best players out of the game. Injuries happen, its part of the game and everyone knows that. Its a physical sport and thats why we all love it. To me its one thing to want hurt someone when you hit them and another to purposely injure someone. To reward players with money to purposely injure them is not motivation. Its wrong

  • BoogaP

    Very intuitive, informative, and all that other great stuff! 
     
    Great article.  Very impressed.

  • 83Bulldog

    Everyone except those of Goodell’s friends call this a “personal” thing. He’s trying to get even for something.