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Should the San Diego Chargers trade up?


Hi guys,

in my weekly mock draft the Chargers were trading up with the Giants for J.Gilbert. If he does fall around the 12th spot, should the Chargers make that phone call and move up?

As we all know the Chargers need an elite corner, if they truly want one they will have to move up in the draft. Sure they could wait and hope that one of the top corners in the draft fall to them, but the odds are that we would probably end up with Jason Verrett or Bradley Roby. Verrett is really good but he is not a #1 corner and Roby has A LOT of red flags.

Tom Telseco showed last year that he is not afraid to trade up when he feels like the value is there. If Justin Gilbert makes it out of the top ten I think the Chargers should trade up to grab him. Why should we give up picks for him? Well the Chargers will try to make a Super Bowl run this year. Our offense will be Super Bowl ready with the addition of a wide receiver (round 3-5) and a guard (round 4-7) in the draft. But the defense will hold us back if we don’t have a much improved secondary. We need to stop messing around with average corners and draft a top CB in this draft. I feel like we are one corner away from being a very very good defense.

Why is Gilbert worth trading up? Well, we also need a Kick/Punt returner. and Gilbert would fill that role for us. He is drawing comparisons to Patrick Peterson for that reason. I know we would have to give up some picks for him but the good thing is that Gilbert would fill two roles. We won’t have to worry about finding a returner in the later rounds. That’s why he is the only corner I would trade up for in the draft.

Luckily for us the draft is very deep. So trading up will cost less than usual. To trade up with the Giants, for example, would probably cost us our first, second and a fourth round pick in 2015. If not a third round in 2015.

Gilbert is a guy that will bring some attitude to the defense. He is a natural interceptor (7t TDs in 2013) and a big time returner (6 career kickoff return TD). He possesses all the tools you would want for a top corner prospect : size (6’0” 202lbs), speed (4,37 40 yd dash), strength(20 bench reps) and he has superb feet and agility. Not only does he have all the measurables but he also has GREAT tapes.

He fits Pagano’s scheme perfectly. He would lock down opposite #1WR for years.

We need that if we want to think about a SB run!

What do you think ? Should we stay with the 25th pick or should we be aggressive and trade up?

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  • Calum Thompson

    Is there a trade down option? As you say, it’s a deep draft, why not wait? I don’t like the idea of mortgaging our (build through the draft) future to trade up for a guy who got a ‘good’ chance of being a good #1 corner. BPA for the next 2 drafts I hope! Can always trade up later if you’re into that sort of thing. :)

    • Julien Bélair

      Yep trade down would mean that someone wants to jump ahead of the Browns for a QB. It is a good option too. But like I said we need a top CB. We won’t get one in the second or third round. Those are project players who can be good in 2-3years. If we want to go to the SB we need a CB who will be good right now.

    • Marcel West-Bailey

      If one of the QB hungry teams doesn’t get the QB they want, presumably within the first 10 picks, they might ask us to trade down to get one at 25. Possible scenario, and all hypothetical, Cleveland drafts Greg Robinson out of Auburn. Well they still need a QB so let’s say Derek Carr or Manziel (highly unlikely but stranger things have happened) happen to still be on the board. They give us a call, we get an early 2nd round pick along with the one we have late.

      • Diegoblue

        I wouldn’t mind a trade down to get an extra 2nd if it made sense

        • Julien Bélair

          Trade down. draft Verrett then trade up for Van Noy !

          • Sergio Quintero

            That sure makes sense, I like it

          • jamfed

            Steve Williams is 10 lbs heavier than Varrett.

          • Julien Bélair

            In fact Williams is 185 pounds and Verrett is 189 pounds…

        • Marcel West-Bailey

          Most of us would but it’s not always that easy. The draft this year is deep and the majority of the teams that would trade down with us are going to be the QB hungry teams that have a pick in the top 10. Thing is no other teams left to pick in the first round need a QB and the Browns are the third pick in the second. The two teams before them are the Texans and Redskins. The Skins (no offense to anyone with native american heritage) obviously aren’t going to draft a QB so that leaves the Texans and that’s a gamble their GM might make.

          • Julien Bélair

            well Cards might surprise and draft a QB… unlikely but it could happen.

            We have to wish that the Browns don’t draft a QB with their first pick if we want to trade down.

  • Calman21

    Several problems with moving up for a corner:

    1) We can get good to great players (including corners) in the 1st – 4th rounds at the least with how deep this draft is.
    2) Our #1 CB or WR should not ever be a punt/kick returner. Some of the most violent hits occur on returns and you don’t want to risk those guys any more than you have to.
    3) The argument that this draft is deep is actually the argument for not trading up, we don’t have a need to because the perceived talent is so deep.
    4) Trading back is more likely and probably a better option for us due to the depth of this draft.
    5) 1st year CB’s like WR’s usually struggle in the first year. It is very rare that they go out and are instant stars (Pagano is unlikely to be good enough to craft them into a start first year).

    • Julien Bélair

      I think this draft class is overrated. Don’t get me wrong… it is a very good draft class but saying that we can get good to great players in the 1st – 4th rounds….. no

      The draft is deep so the talent in the second or third is almost the same. and 4-5-6 rounds almost the same also.

      But the top players of the draft such as Dennard and Gilbert are clearly way ahead of players like Mcgill, SJB or Désir.

      • Calman21

        I am not equating a 1st rounder to a 4th rounder in this draft. I am comparing previous drafts to this draft. This draft lacks a lot of ridiculously high end players (it has a few) and instead has a bunch of really solid players that could easily start in their first year. And yes, I push that all the way back to the 4th based on how a lot of scouts (they know more than we do) have been talking. Usually, it is only to the third but this draft is going to push some good players that would normally be picked up earlier farther back and enable solid/good players to be picked up as late as the 4th.

        • Julien Bélair

          I agree with you on that

          • Calman21

            I can see a slight jump up if Dennard or Gilbert is around after the first half of the draft but jumping that far down (12th pick) is giving up too much. We need a pass rush (opinion) more than we need a corner at this point. So, I would be fine with Roby, Fuller, or Verrett (my last choice as I think our slot guy will end up being Williams) at 25 as long as we got to pick in the first four rounds. But then I don’t have really high hopes for the Chargers until next season. We continue to build this season and show improvement which will enable us to compete for the title in 2015.

          • Julien Bélair

            I hope Verrett is the guy if we stay at 25. He would start day1 on the outside.

          • Diegoblue

            Verrett is tough.. If he was an inch or two taller he would be the top CB IMO.

          • Julien Bélair

            Verrett at 6 foot is a top5 pick

          • Calman21

            Yep no denying that. Guy would be an absolute monster.

          • Diegoblue

            True Indeed

          • Marcel West-Bailey

            They have pills for that

          • Julien Bélair

            haha nice one

          • Marcel West-Bailey

            Lol I’m not kidding. If they don’t show up on a drug test and I was Verrett, I’m OD’ing until the season starts.

          • Julien Bélair

            you know it won’t happen right…?

          • Marcel West-Bailey

            Well of course it won’t because people aren’t as willing to cheat as I am.

          • Julien Bélair

            such a bummer !

          • Calman21

            He could cover receivers that are in the 6′ – 6’2″ range I think. Bigger than that he is going to get destroyed. 6″ – 8″ of height is really hard to overcome and even if he is the most physically gifted and skillful he is still short.

      • RussinSactown

        If this draft class is over rated, why burn the picks to move up. It’s like playing craps and betting on 4. You need more choices not less and hope that these picks will rise up to the task.

        • Julien Bélair

          You are right sir. But sometimes you need to go get the player you want.
          I think we needed to talk about the trade up possibility

  • Cgoodness13

    I honestly think the only corner worth trading up for would be Denard, but we can get Verret or Fuller at our current pick so I don’t see the need to do so

    • Julien Bélair

      Fuller might very well be gone but Verrett will most probably be a Chargers next year. I think he fits are defence and he will be there.

      I wouldn’t be against trading up for dennard if he is there around 18..

  • Diegoblue

    NO WAY.. Too much. A 1st and a second and a fourth round pick in 2015. If not a third round in 2015??? If they did that it would be foolish. This is one of the deepest drafts in a long time. I don’t think Gilbert or Dennard is much better than Fuller, Roby, or Verrett. if they even are.

    • Julien Bélair

      Fuller is injury prone…. a very good player but a risk. Roby…well we al know his red flags….

      Verrett I really like him !! but not a cb#1.

      I know it’s a lot of pick but don’t you want a top corner ?? It would be a breath of fresh air to see a corner in the Chargers uniform who can cover a #1wr

      • Diegoblue

        Julien I want a Top CB but who’s to say Gilbert will be or Dennard. They don’t separate themselves much if at all from the other guys. If we trade up it better someone who can shutdown the whole side of the field that they are on. I don’t see that with Gilbert or Dennard. Just my opinion. I hope we stay at 25.. we need all of our picks

        • Julien Bélair

          I don’t think we will trade up but we are less than a month away from the draft so It’s nice to talk about every possible option. If Telesco does trade up for him I think it wouldn’t be so bad to loose some picks for him.

          I watched a lot of his tape and he fits our defence and he has all the measurable to be the guy. Now every rookie are a risk..

          I know that if we trade up for him we (fans) will have BIG expectations !

      • Tony

        If i thought we were one top corner away from being Super Bowl Contenders, i would say yea, pull the trigger but sadly we are not. Playing the NFC west this year will be a true test to see if we really are ready. But I don’t think we are there just yet. Playoff contenders? Definitely, but not Super Bowl ready.

        • Julien Bélair

          Ok then you understand why I want us to trade up for him ;)

          • Tony

            You really think we are super bowl ready though?

          • Julien Bélair

            I think we do. The offence is ready (with a rook Wr). The defence with Gilbert ? they are ready…. we have what it takes…. maybe i’m being homer but last year everyone (cowboys fan or steelers fans …etc) believe in the Chargers. I think we will be better this year.

  • tonyloc1970 .

    There’s NO way I’d want the Chargers to trade up for Gilbert. There is way too many quality players in this draft to materialize with similar results as if we had Gilbert without losing picks in the draft for them.

  • Tony

    You would want to move up in a deep draft to pick Gilbert because we need a top talent/ #1 corner. Then you want to use said top corner to return kicks AND punts? I don’t see us trading up in the first round. Maybe in the second if Telesco really wants Van Noy. Also, i dont think we are ready for a super bowl run. At least not this year. Maybe next year with some cap space and Telesco’s third draft. But as of right now we lack depth.

    • Julien Bélair

      Yep I wouldn’t be the first player to do it.

      Hey ! I disagree on that I think depth is now one of our strength. The problem is the lack of elite or great players.

      • Tony

        We have depth, but just not at the same caliber of depth that say the 49ers, or seahawks have.

        • Julien Bélair

          That’s true but I think it’s good enough. I feel like we have a lot of intangibles that we didn’t have under Norv. We could all see it at the end of last year. Great memories.

          • Tony

            That is definitely true.
            I feel like we have a lot of talent on defense but that they are NOT living up to their potential. or havent been used properly. Gilchrist was playing a different position at the beginning of last year, Wright showed some major improvement. Teo was hurt, Butler has been injury plagued for most of his career with us, Taylor still hasn’t gotten healthy. Technically this would be his sophomore season. IF he gets healthy i think he could be a beast even though I like what i’m seeing from Addae this offseason. And on offense I think VB can turn it around. He was learning McCoy’s system which is way different from Norvs. I think he turns it around this season.

          • Julien Bélair

            Completely agree with you.
            Reyes is the big disappointment imo… if he doesn’t turn it around he will be labelled as a bust…

          • Tony

            It sucks because I remember he had a pretty good Rookie season and there were a lot of people who were excited about his potential.

          • Julien Bélair

            I know right !! … I wish he can turn it around this year

          • Tony

            Do you think Inman has a chance at making the team?

          • Julien Bélair

            I think it depends on Floyd. If Floyd is back he might end up to the practice squad. But I saw the guy playing (I live in Canada so I watched one of his game live) and he is really good. I wouldn’t be surprise he makes the team and get ahead of VB in the depth chart.
            It depends on Rivers. When he likes a dude and has a good chemistry well anything can happen

    • Stefanie Smith

      This is always so depressing. Season hasn’t even started and people are already saying “maybe next year”. I can hardly take it. No disrespect meant to you, Tony. I am sick of hearing it or reading it. We have heard it for years—”Not this year….maybe next year.” Funny, people were saying almost the exact same words last year….saying it would be this year. Getting old–real old.

      • davacho

        screw the neigh sayers! we are thermostats and not thermometers! they call it the SUPER Bowl and we are the SUPER MOTHER TRUCKING CHARGERS! let’s get to it! : )

        • Stefanie Smith

          Exactly!

      • Julien Bélair

        I agree

  • Eli Rodriguez

    I wouldn’t mind getting gilbert. I just don’t want us to trade up for him. I don’t think he’s that good of a player. I think fuller would be a better option than gilbert.

    • Julien Bélair

      Fuller is injury prone and I don’t like that but on the field he is a beast. Unfortunately he will probably be gone before we will pick. Root for Verrett instead. I like him even more.

      For those of you who don’t want us to trade up get in the Verrett bandwagon !

  • Tazzster

    I like the idea of getting Gilbert but not at that price. I think we need to come away with 3 solid starters from this draft. A CB and OLB to start with then… CB, WR or ?.
    With a deep draft we have the potential to pick up 4 starters.

    But I also agree with the fact that we need PLAYMAKERS not just starters, that is where trading up sounds good. If we could just swap picks and throw in our second from 2015????? Idk, it still sounds too pricey. You would need to be pretty sure about a guy.

    As far as returning punts and playing CB, Deion Sanders did it… And that is who this guy reminds me of.

    • Julien Bélair

      Yeah get in the trade up bandwagon :P if we could send the 2015 second round it would be perfect !

  • diomar espinal

    Honestly speaking gilbert is a superb athlete but id rather have dennard. Kid is much better in press coverage and plays alot tougher then Gilbert. These are the kind of guys i believe our defense needs. I think people will say well pagano employs an off man scheme which is true but i think we employed it because of all the injuries to the defnese. With dwight and melvin starting off the year fresh and healthy i think pagano will go back to the cover 2 shell and let those guys tee off on the QB.

    • Julien Bélair

      Well in my mock draft Dennard is taken before Gilbert :)

      Gilbert can play press are 10 yards form the scrimmage or in zone coverage. He fits pagano’s scheme

      • diomar espinal

        I know he can do both but what im saying is i want players who play tough and with an edge . Dennard is a physical corner in your face all game style player. Gilbert isnt close to Dennard in that aspect.

        • Julien Bélair

          I agree but Dennard might get call for some interference also

          • diomar espinal

            So could the seahawks DBs but that didnt stop them from doing it which kind of worked out in their favor lol

          • Julien Bélair

            haha don’t get me started on the Seahawks DBs ! I hate them so much… I feel like it’s cheating and it’s killing me that they don’t get call more often

          • diomar espinal

            Hey i completely agree they mug people the whole way up field. But they play with an attitude and i think thats the kind of football players our team needs, guys that will set a tone ya know?

          • Julien Bélair

            I agree with the attitude ! we have it on offence now it’s time to have a vocal leader on defence and some players who plays with attitude. Ingram is that kind of guy and that’s why when he was on the field last year the defence got much better

          • diomar espinal

            Notice how keenan brought that attitude to our offense it meshed well with a guy like philip , 2 guys with intagibles who have that fire. nowpicture that on defense?

          • Julien Bélair

            yep that’s what we need !

        • Parker Richardson

          True, gilbert reminds me lot of cromartie because of his athleticism but lack of physicality. It gives me flashbacks of the Jets playoff game when cromarite would watch shonn greene run past him every time…

          • Julien Bélair

            I wish it wasn’t true..

          • diomar espinal

            Yea pretty much bro. guys fast he can run but like you said i dont see the physicality at all. I want the guy whose going to try to put a hit on the RB . Honestly Dennard just has those football intangibles i look for in a player. And his game tape makes me think he could one day be in the mold of a darrelle revis. Wishful thinking but hey its a player i would take the chance on.

  • Diegoblue

    Lets not forget we will have a healthy Freeney and Ingram (God willing) flying off the edge .. That will make our DBs that much better so thats another reason why I say we don’t need to move up to get Gilbert..Verrett, Fuller or Roby would be just fine if we go with a CB at the 25.

    • Julien Bélair

      Just imagine Gilbert with such a pass rush :P 7 picks in his rookie season yeahhhhhh

      • Diegoblue

        Lol.. I wouldn’t be mad at 7 picks

        • Julien Bélair

          haha

  • Parker Richardson

    There is too much bust potential for any first round corner. I would be reluctant to use our normal first round pick on a corner. Trading up would be wayy to risky for that reason especially with the value of later picks in this draft.

    • Parker Richardson

      Also our defensive staff has failed to develop any of our former corners drafted in the first round. Just really not worth the risk IMO

    • mattyv

      TRADE UP! For Clowney….Now we are talking. If I am trading…thats what I am going for. A QB will be available for those teams ich’ing for them.

      • Julien Bélair

        noooooo stay away from this bust waiting to happen !

  • powderBLUE801

    Even if we get the top CB he will need to adjust to the NFL and don’t get your hopes up for a Super Bowl just off a CB. We have another year or two IMO and we will be crazy tuff. IF we can fill some weak spots and improve on them with real game play. I want a Super Bowl as bad as anyone but I just think it’s not there just yet.

    • Julien Bélair

      I respect your opinion sir !

  • Sergio Quintero

    First off Patrick Peterson was a rare elite CB prospect a should go in the top 5 of any draft prospect, Gilbert on the other hand is good sometimes elite CB with flashes of inconsistent play, that is going to be 10-15 pick more on athleticism than actual awesome game tape.

    Lets remember Telesco profiles like a guy who loves super consistent productive players, not good players with great measurables. First off Gilbert is a good player with elite tools, not a great player with elite tools, add the fact the Telesco seems to favor more guys super consistent tape like Fuller & Verrett, then I would say no.

    So the quick answer is no, I would trade up for Khalil Mack and probably nobody else.

    • Julien Bélair

      I know he is not Peterson’s clone but there are some similarities.

      If Telesco stay at 25 and select Verrett I’ll be very happy.

      Mack will go first overall imo

    • Parker Richardson

      Totally agree. If khalil mack were to fall i’m sure a lot of teams would be considering trading up. Not very much potential for a bust there

  • ltmariod

    The statement “The Chargers need an elite corner” can be applied to every single team in the NFL, including teams who have elite corners. We need a solid #1, something we didn’t have last year.

  • Daniel Sutter

    Trade down. Trade chart says we could (with a willing team) possibly get an early second and early third/fourth for our late first!

  • 1961 Fan

    No, trade down and pick up more second round choices; load up on talent and see who prevails in camp. Many first round choices are wasted by following the hoop la associated with being chosen in the first round.

  • Mark Viguri

    Is GIlbert the next Dieon Sanders? No. Should the Chargers waste additional draft picks to move up? AJ Smith took a lot of heat for years moving up to get Weddle and Mathews. Were those moves worth it? Yes, but the Chargers aren’t just one player away from winning a Super Bowl unlike the Seahawks who needed that one explosive WR/return guy like Percy Harvin to show up just for the Super Bowl.

  • bolt up!

    If its for gilbert I would 100 percent do it, ive been saying it since last year we need gilbert and he is another patrick peterson those are hard to find so I would do it

    • Julien Bélair

      haha finally someone agree with this :P

      • bolt up!

        Yea ppl act like we were horrible last year or something shareece Wright with a gilbert pssssh solid! Add anither wr and defense and we’ll be good I believe our team with gilbert and as I stated on top can get us to a superbowl!

        • Julien Bélair

          that’s it!