Sep 9, 2013; San Diego, CA, USA; San Diego Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers (17) tries to get off a pass from his knees during first quarter action against the Texans at Qualcomm Stadium. Rivers was ruled down for a sack. Mandatory Credit: Robert Hanashiro-USA TODAY

Chargers Fans Starting To Point Fingers At Philip Rivers


There is a lot of hate pointed at Philip Rivers now. With A.J. Smith and Norv Turner gone, the next man on the list seems to be Philip. When things still look the same in the past, then you go with someone else that remains from the previous regime. That person if Philip Rivers.

The people who are frustrated with Philip’s performance on Monday see that the offense stalled out in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Of course they remember the interception for a score.

Philip still is not getting help from the other guys on the roster. People need to step up and make plays. Philip made a beautiful touch pass to Antonio Gates down the sideline and it clanked off of his hands. It was a tough catch, but it should have been made.

Philip made a nice pass to Eddie Royal to bail the team out on 3rd down, and Eddie forgot to bring the ball in. Philip can’t throw the ball and catch it also.

Philip can take the blame on the interception. He saw the blitz, but he didn’t read the defense right. Brian Cushing was in zone and had Danny Woodhead covered on the play and made a great play.

The running game was terrible. We couldn’t get a first down running the ball to save our life.

Other players need to step up. When the opportunity to make a play is there, MAKE IT!

For those pointing fingers at Philip, don’t forget to point the fingers out to Eddie Royal, Ryan Mathews, Antonio Gates and the rest of the guys that failed to make a play in that second half.

4 touchdowns for Philip Rivers in that game. He did some things right too.

Tags: San Diego Chargers

  • http://www.standupforkids.org blackroseMD1

    Yep. Immediately after the game some of my friends started blaming Rivers on Facebook.

    Seriously? Put Whitehurst in there instead of Rivers, and I doubt we’d have scored more than 10 points. It was Rivers who kept us in the game.

    • kris

      Why is Rivers compared to Whitehurst. Rivers received a 90 million dollar contract. He should be compared with the qbs making that kind of money not back ups. Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, those guys. Out of those I just mentioned who would have lost that lead for us other than Rivers. None of them. Rivers is paid to be our franchise qb, comparing him to second string guys doesn’t help the argument.

      • 619chargers4life

        I thought the chargers played D as well , I didn’t know Rivers plays D .

        • Daryl Peek

          Any defense that deals with constant 4 and outs offensively will eventually wear out.

          • Stefanie Smith

            Constant 4 and outs? How did they score? Rivers threw no TDs?

          • Daryl Peek

            6 strait possessions in the second half with no first downs. Come on Stefanie!

          • Stefanie Smith

            It wasn’t constant because Chargers’ D could not get the Texans off the field. What about the 3rd and 18? Rivers’ fault on that one? Come on, Daryl!

          • arnie

            Sorry Daryl i have Stefanie’s back on this one. PR went out and gave this team a chance to win a game, and in almost every series the first and the second half, the Defense kept giving up chunks of yards by playing 10 yards off johnson. Which schaub kept throwing passes to. The bottom line is this, when the offense needed some help, all the D had to do was stop them on a few more 3rd n longs. They didn’t. When they needed to run the ball? They didn’t, PR doesn’t call the plays. When they needed a catch in the second half no one could hang onto the ball.
            Rivers threw 4 TD and went to the locker room with a 21 point lead. If we are looking for someone to blame? Go blame the D coordinator that played zone all night, and told his players to sit in a spot and WATCH johnson catch the ball on 3&12. Go ask Whiz why he chose to go for three straight passes instead of feeding the ball to Brown who was averaging 5.2 yards?
            Sorry i can’t blame RIvers because he didn’t throw for 400 yards an 8 TD’s.

          • Daryl Peek

            He did but he didn’t do anything extra to get us over the hump. It was a total team loss and Rivers is the leader of our team on the field. The thing I try to articulate most is the confidence factor. When your teammates truly believe in you as a QB, they do things in conjunction with said QB that helps get the team over the hump. Again what help does Brady have?

            The Pats o-line broke down Sunday. Tom was running for his life. Their number one RB got injured. Peyton Manning was under pressure against the Ravens. He was sacked three times. Tho it’s a bad comp because the Donkey defense was off the chain.

          • Calman21

            The better targets made all the difference in the world. They could easily out play a very bad Raven secondary. The Ravens should have kept running and that was their problem. And the Broncos Oline was still better than ours and it wasn’t even close. There were numerous times where Manning had a ton of time. Rivers had the ball out quickly or got sacked with almost no exceptions.

          • Daryl Peek

            I’ll be the first to admit the Donkeys have the better team. But the argument of targets between our BOLTS and the Pats cannot not be seen as advantage Brady. His targets stink! and Amendola (a new target) will be out Thursday night.

            Too many excuses made by BOLTS fans for Rivers, bottom line.

          • Calman21

            Oh I agree that our targets are better. BTW I would argue that Brown is essentially a second year player. My point is the opponent we faced was worlds better than the one the Patriots faced and we still did pretty well. I can’t blame Rivers. In my view the defense, receivers, and coaches were to blame. I will be the first one to say Rivers choked when he actually does…but this wasn’t a choke by him, it was a team failure.

          • Daryl Peek

            It was good Rivers and Bad PR IMO. I don’t blame him for the loss Monday. It was a total team loss on both sides of the ball. PR as our leader needs to step up and make a play down the stretch. The WR need to also. Thre defense needs to knuckle up also. MM, Pagano and Wiz need to do a better job calling and making adjustments in the game.

            Lets not forget PR is empowered at the line of scrimmage in this new offense, unlike the strict script he had to run under Norv. Blame goes all around. My beef with PR is an elite QB never being the difference. PR is a statistical beast in the regular season like Tony Romo. They both fail in big games or in the playoffs. The totality of that plight is what bothers me, looking to the future.

          • http://www.signonsandiego.com/ Ambitoos

            The O line broke down again. Not Rivers.

          • kris

            She states others dont know about the team, then only talks about the first half. Did you fall asleep early Stef?

          • Stefanie Smith

            We were ahead and our defense could not stop the Texans. Stop the fixation on Rivers.

          • http://www.signonsandiego.com/ Ambitoos

            Here, here Stef.

          • Brandon

            I agree with stef. Plus Shaub is not even an elite QB how do you guys think our defense will hold up to manning? Oh wait we can blame rivers on that too.

        • joerockt

          24 UNANSWERED points by the offense doesn’t get it done. The offense had 2 straight 3 and outs, an INT on the very first play of a drive and another 3 and out for most of the 3rd and all of the 4th. The defense was gassed, and the offense was clearly to blame.

          • 619chargers4life

            gassed ? lol they were gassed cuz they couldnt stop a third and long all day long, thats there bad. they should have made a play. everybody wants Rivers to put up 40 points a game, i get it. i really do. but where was mathews when we needed him, why did everybody get a case of butter fingers all of a sudden. and again where did our D go in the second half. everybody wants to talk about Rivers, but lets talk about Mathews, lets talk about the refs, lets talk about the butter fingers, lets talk about how many plays Liuget and Reyes were out at the same while our D was on the Field, am i the only one that noticed that. lets talk about how come Double J is our sack leader and our backup MR Bird leads the team in tackles. C’mon Man

          • Calman21

            Defense was giving up good sized plays almost all game. Houston figured out they could burn us up the middle (see where all the TDs came from). On Offense it really looked like Whisenhunt wasn’t leaving enough protection back so Rivers had pressure almost every snap of the second half. The offense was partly to blame, but if the secondary had played press coverage during the blitzes it was likely that we would have stopped at least one of their scoring drives. Also, the receivers need to learn not to choke…that is all.

        • kris

          What does the defense have to do with my comment? I was speaking to the Whitehurst/Rivers comparison. But, to answer your question, I think Daryl got it right. Rivers doesn’t play D, thank God, but constant three and outs wear down any d.

          • Stefanie Smith

            There is a group that holds the D’s inability to stop Texans as the cause of the loss. Actually, they think it was Pagano’s play calling that lost it. That is why it is relevant to this discussion. No need to solely focus on Rivers. He got 4 touchdowns. Who lost the points from Rivers’ work?

          • 619chargers4life

            very simple my friend Manning didnt beat Houston last year, Rodgers got blown out by the Giants last year 38 to 10, Brady got beat by AZ, and brees lost 44 to 38 to the panthers. our D was the key to the loss in this one, along with the games i just mentioned, dropped balls, penalties, and giving one of the best WR enough space to run around the whole stadium to make a play without getting touched cost us this one. 28 points is enough to pull out a win on any given Sunday, i would take that every week if our D can make play. i understand where ur coming from i just cant sit here and oh well if we had brees or any other of those QB’s you mentioned that we would have won the game. its Football and on any given Sunday is what they say. Denver started the year 2-3 last year i believe. All im saying is dont everyone go jump off a cliff and gets to trippen, it was the first game of the year, new system and all that, im not making excuses, im just saying if our D makes one maybe two stops we wouldnt be talking about this. thats all. i do feel where ur coming from i just dont agree. Any given Sunday my friend. oh and if my stats are wrong cool beans, please correct me.

          • kris

            Thank you for the educated reply. Im stating my frustrations with Rivers, due to the article header. Dont get me wrong, I saw plenty of other mistakes and people to blame as well. I said last year, give Rivers an oline and some time and lets see what he can do. I’ll reserve my judgement a few more weeks. But, if when the game is on the line and our offense can still not produce, I am inclined to go after the leader and highest paid offensive player. We will see.

          • 619chargers4life

            i feel you.

          • arnie

            That’s fair. I think people are saying are you going after Rivers just because? Or it’s actually his fault the Chargers lost? See i make a distinction. The Houston D made adjustments, and the Chargers D and Offense did not. I can only place so much blame at Rivers feet, but with norv gone, i can clearly see where the real problems are. Rivers needs help.

          • Daryl Peek

            I can roll with that Arnie. I just can’t roll with all the constant Rivers deflection. He shares in the blame and he’s paid too much to have not gotten us over the hump. Peyton Manning is the same but he has a ring coupled with plenty of trips in knocking on the door. It’s apples to oranges FO wise. Advantage Manning. But Rivers had much more talented teams during our playoff height. Manning never had a great running game, and his defense was good but not great. Our d was really good back then.

            The total history is what I look at. I hope PR proves me wrong! I’ll gladly eat crow.

          • arnie

            The total history is the only reason why i open mouth. PR has had two HC in those playoff years. The knock against Marty was he played too conservative in the playoffs. The Rub against norv he had a thing for finding ways to lose, In the regular. The one constant, aj. While he had a good start, some of his decision eroded the team, exposed norv and left PR hanging. All in all when he screws up, i can see it, clearly. However i can’t put all those playoffs “what if’s” totally on him. My point, there are circumstances out of his control.
            If PR had thrown that pick six into double coverage, i would have been pissed, but there was a blitz and not enough blockers. Woddhead was the hot route. Some may say he was baited into that throw. Either way, Cushing gambled and and it paid off. Or, they didn’t disguise that route very well. WTF was Rivers supposed to do?

            That was the first time Rivers had throw 4 TD in a game since 11/06/2011 against greenbay. It’s his 5th time doing it.
            All i’m sayin’ we can point at the Qb for a lot of things, however the texans D needed to help there QB out, so they went out and got the ball back for him. Can we say the same for the Chargers D, when PR needed some help?

          • Daryl Peek

            I did say it was a total team loss for us on Monday.

            Vick has a new HC, new system, questionable targets, and a reconstructed O-line that needs to step up also. All we heard in the off season was their lack of WR depth and indecision on Barkley, Foles or Vick, as to who would get the most QB reps.Their defense was worse than ours coming into this season also.

            We saw or heard no excuses about all the above in Philly’s week one game against the Skins. Can we please just get the same from BOLT fans concerning our team going forward?

      • http://www.standupforkids.org blackroseMD1

        Here’s why: Some of the fans are bitching about Rivers. Even if we did bench Rivers, like some people seem to want, his replacement would be Whitehurst. It’s not like we can trade for Tom Brady to come in and replace Philip.

        Honestly, I’m just tired of fairweather fans looking for the next person to blame things on. Even when Rivers has a fairly good game, people come in talking smack. Rivers could throw 7 TDs against the Eagles, with a pick, and all some people would talk about would be the interception. It’s ridiculous.

        Besides, it’s a team game. I don’t see all these same people blaming a defense that couldn’t stop the Texans in the second half, or any of the receivers that dropped passes. Everyone wants to pile on Rivers.

        Also, you saying that Brady, Brees, Rodgers etc would never blow a lead is ridiculous. They have in the past, and they will in the future.

  • Louie Cañedo

    Charger Fans are always looking to blame one or two people. It’s a team game and they were outplayed in the 2nd half

  • PakMaN

    SORENSEN!!!!!!! jk lol

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      LOL… I see the masses have re-sharpened their pitchforks PakMan.. hahaha. “Where is Rivers…..burn his house down, he’s a witch…. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!!”

      • tubbs45

        Let see if he floats…

  • kris

    I blame plenty other than Phillip. However, Phillip is the leader of this team and the highest paid and most crucial. His immobility, inaccuracy, and capability to fold under pressure are hurting this team. Sometimes qb’s have to make plays all by themselves, Phillip cannot do that, he relies on everyone else to do a perfect job for him to be good. Think about it, when he was at his peak, he had a hall of fame running back, prime hall of fame tight end, pro bowl receiver in Jackson, pro bowl linemen, and one of the shiftiest backs in Sproles. It takes a bunch of talent around him for him to succeed since he is limited in his capabilities. Elite qb’s make others around them better. Phillip cannot do this. Its time to move on. After this season is over Im sure there will be a lot more support for a change in qb. Its just PR is such a likable guy off the field its hard to root for a replacement. But, its necessary Ernie. Seriously, if Brady was our QB would we have lost Monday? How about Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Kapernick, Luck, hell even Romo would have kept that lead.

    • Daryl Peek

      PREACH! This is all I’ve been trying to tell most. 2010 was the only season we can truly say Rivers put the team on his back like other elite QB’s have.

    • Kaipo

      As it goes, Philip did a lot of things right, it’s the first week FANS besides what chump of a QB is coming out this season. Our running game is ineffective, our pass catching ability is whack and whomever said Tony Romo could hold and protect a lead obviously doesn’t watch much football.

      • kris

        Dont watch much football huh? Lame assumption. And if you read right, I said it with sarcasm, accentuating my point on PR’s inabilities.

  • 619chargers4life

    Same ppl calling for his head are the same saying we get #1 pick in the draft

  • Stefanie Smith

    They don’t even know Pagano, so who else can they say?

    • Michael

      wow, if that day ever comes and we dont have PR, all those people who think the chargers are better off without him are going to be missing him,,just sayin,,,

  • joerockt

    Sorry Ernie, but Rivers gets no pass this year. He will constantly be put under the microscope. There were a lot of things he did great on Monday, and a lot of things he did poorly. To me it was a repeat of what we saw from him last year in that 2nd half. Desperate to get something going, uncomfortable in the pocket, frustration seems to take over him when things are going wrong. Its a horrible trait for a QB. I’ve always admired his fiery competitiveness, but that blessing is also a curse.

    Rivers went 1 for 9 after the Royal touchdown in the 3rd, including the INT. And while he didn’t have much help with his receivers and play calling, a good QB finds a way to get it done.

    I don’t think though that I would give him as much grief if he didn’t go on record saying he didn’t think there was anything to fix. That’s the Norv talking.

    • Calman21

      Remember Brady losing to the Giants in the second Super Bowl? Most of that was due to receivers dropping the ball. Are we saying that Brady is a bad QB or just couldn’t get it done? Rivers deserves some slack as does the offense in general. They are learning a completely new scheme. There were a lot of problems but he threw up 4 TDs to a single interception on a great play. The receivers and the secondary (mostly the slot and ILB in coverage) were the biggest problems in this game. They were bad all game the Texans just didn’t truly figure it out until the second half (all the TDS were to TEs being covered by Richard Marshall and BB I believe). Pagano needs to fix his coverage schemes and the receivers need to learn to hold on to the ball. Let the past go and pretend this is a completely new era. Kurt Warner had to learn a new scheme as well and it wasn’t instant.

      • Stefanie Smith

        You are so right. Warner took a beating and left NY and went somewhere else and took that team to the SB.

      • boltingindiego

        the td’s were a total of 3 on our D. 2 were on Bird and the other was a play action on weddle goal line.

        • Calman21

          Thanks for the correction. I knew they were all up the middle to TE, but I wasn’t sure about the third TD.

    • http://www.signonsandiego.com/ Ambitoos

      Did you happen to notice the O line broke down again in the second half. Can’t blame Rivers for that.

  • Stefanie Smith

    The guy scores a ton and he still is no good. Hey, why don’t we go for Kevin Kolb?

    • kris

      We all know your personal feelings for Chargers players overshadows your ability to be objective. Why the smart ass question? Whos asking for Kevin Kolb? I guess its wrong for fans to expect more out of a 90 million dollar qb.

      • Stefanie Smith

        I can be as ridiculous as most of the anti-Rivers’ group. Be careful what you ask for—when Rivers gets the boot, there is not much better out there that is available. My point in bringing up Kolb is there is always a WHOLE LOT worse out there. We take him for granted.

        • kris

          Why do we care about worse qb’s out there? Are our expectations of PR to be better than Kolb and Whitehursy?! Ok expectations met. My expectations are for him to play at an elite level, ala Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Brady. If he cannot, which he has proven lately, is time to look for a new qb in the draft.

          • Stefanie Smith

            Actually Rivers’ passer rating was higher than Brady’s. Brady came in at 76.4 and Rivers came in at 95.5. So he did play at an elite level if you believe doing better than Brady is elite.

            You have your mind made up.

          • Daryl Peek

            Which QB got the win? Brady was running for his life. Brady doesn’t have most of the WR that caught 90% of the passes he threw to last year. When comparing elite QB’s Rivers just doesn’t match up.

          • Stefanie Smith

            Omg, now you think we have great WRs?

          • Daryl Peek

            You are a trip? How did you get that out of what I said?!? Our WR are average at best but better and more experienced with PR than the ones Brady has. Brady makes his WR better. That’s the point. All most do in arguing for PR is complain he needs better targets.

          • Stefanie Smith

            This is where I got it.

            Your statement ” Brady doesn’t have most of the WR that caught 90% of the passes he threw to last year. When comparing elite QB’s Rivers just doesn’t match up.”

            What receivers of ours have more experience with Rivers than Brady has with his receivers? Vincent Brown was out last year, Danario not playing, Ajirotutu just came back, Keenan Allen is a rookie. So looking at it as a whole, there is not much difference, as Brady is still throwing to Edelman who he had last year. Granted, he does not have Welker.

            And I stand corrected on my statement that NE won with a field goal. I believe that was the Jets that won by a field goal.

          • Daryl Peek

            Rivers has Royal, Gates, RM24, VB who’s in his third year, Ronnie Brown, Tutu who’s been with PR off and on three different times, that’s why we resigned him, and M80 a constant for several years.

            It’s not even close Stefanie.

          • Calman21

            And what team has the better defense? I would say the Texans by a huge margin and we hung more point on the Texans. Brady is good but you can tell the difference without his targets there. Patriots Oline was better as well. Brady doesn’t really run for his life, he folds into the fetal position.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            Like a little girlie-man, as a matter of fact ; )

          • arnie

            The WR in pre-season dropped almost 30 passes out of 90. That’s good for 60% completion rating. That sounds familiar? Oh yeah it was PR completion percentage from last season. Numbers never lie…
            The only reason they have that? DX.

          • Daryl Peek

            How many picks did Brady throw compared to PR? How many fumbles? Stats are a bad comp. When Brady had a great o-line he won championships and got to the Superbowl. When PR had that coupled with the best RB in the NFL he did nothing in the playoffs to get us over the hump. PR has a poor career playoff QB rating. This is something I have a hard time getting past. He had GREAT targets to throw to in those years. Now as those targets are not available he’s continually regressed. Meanwhile Brady continues to thrive offensively with constantly different targets annually.

            I just really wish BOLT fans would be more objective big picture. Again we all want PR to succeed. But just like Romo with many Cowboy fans I know. They are tired of playoff failure/not getting talented teams over the hump.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson
          • Daryl Peek

            ?!?

            What has that got to do with the above statement I laid out. Brady has the hardware on his finger coupled with insane stats. Brady threw for more yards than PR with a more overhauled offensive roster.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            (See my last comment to you about Belichick for your “hardware” answer) You just talk about him like he never did anything. If that is what you believe, you are gravely mistaken. If you are saying he’s washed up.. you aren’t being reasonable. Give him a couple cockadoodie games to adjust to new EVERYTHING. I swear. Let’s completely uproot your work life, and then critique how fast you adjust to the changes. And then tell you you are done, after you don’t pick it up on the first day.

          • Daryl Peek

            PR like any one else in life has to continue to produce up to his pay scale. Past history is always taken into account. I really haven’t blamed PR as much as most try to make it out. I simply ask the question “is he the one to lead us going forward”

            I’ve said several times he needs to prove. That is not a ship him out now indictment. IMO this season is make or break for PR. We cannot stay status quo in this new regime if improvement is not seen. That’s all i’m saying.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            I agree that it is make or break. But, I also realize that other things must change, before we can fairly assess the situation.. which I think is a fair statement. Good debate by the way ; )

          • Daryl Peek

            Agreed, but unfortunately we are limited in what we can do, due to the financial mess AJ left us in. PR is gonna have to prove by getting on the same page with Wiz and the targets he has. This holds true for Brady in NE. That’s why I use him as comparison. The New offense is a challenge but Brady has not been under the same O his entire tenure also. Alls not fair in life but the W’s are all that matter on the gridiron.

            We have Gates replacement on roster. If PR can’t cut it we need to take that same action for our QB going forward.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            Get ready to be Whizzed on ; ) LOL

          • Daryl Peek

            *Cheesy blank stare* lol

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            Hahahaha…. now THAT was funny.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            Just curious… How old are you Daryl?

          • Daryl Peek

            47 been a BOLT fan since 1975.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            I thought so… So you were around when Brees left. I just figured you would feel differently, in that case. What you are saying now reminds me so much of the rhetoric FANS were using to say that we should get Brees out of town, and put in Rivers… since he was the hot new “1st round pick” QB. Most people think that was a big mistake around the league, even if it’s in hindsight. Yet, Philip’s circumstances (minus the injury) are very similar to Drew’s when he left town. And he went on to win a Superbowl, and everyone laughed at us. Except Philip is a little older, and a little better than Drew was when he left.

          • Daryl Peek

            I was not one of them. I argue with those hindsight selective memory types all the time. The funny thing is I use hindsight as a point of emphasis in my questioning of PR’s leadership ability… his poor playoff QB rating.

            I fully understand the Brees mess. My PR questioning is completely different. My hope is he proves me wrong. But if not change is in order.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            Who is Brady’s coach again? Who developed him? Who was River’s coach? Who developed him? I’m surprised he made it this far, and is this good. Brady had Belichick.. one of the best to ever head coach. Philip had Norv.. I won’t even begin to point out the advantages Brady had over Philip… and he still managed to become a pro-bowler. Let’s give him 5 minutes to “unlearn” the Norvness.. especially after one game where the entire team collapsed around him. Is it even fair to blame him for putting up a 21 point lead, and 4 TD’s? I know you expect an elite QB to “rise to the occasion”… but, behind THAT team? You expect a mistake free passing game behind THAT o-line? I’m not even defending Rivers. I’m defending the QB. If it was Brandon Weeden back there I would be giving him just as much slack.

          • Daryl Peek

            OK, now you’ve gone off the deep end Peter?!?

            Norv was a QB, he’s widely known for developing them. He got the job as BOLTS HC for that reason. He’s also known as an offensive genius when it comes to play calling! His resume speaks for itself as an OC. Norv was also known as a great groomer of RB in the past. Tolbert, RM24, Sproles, LT and Turner had good production under Norv. Norv is just awful managing a team overall as a HC. And AJ did him no favors running off all the pre-existing talent over the years. PR is a Norv clone.

            There’s nothing offensive minded about Belicheat. Bill was a DC, and failure as HC prior to Brady in NE. Brady had a OC who groomed him. Belicheat had nothing to do with that. First it was Charlie Weis, then Josh McDaniels.

            Belicheat even had a DC in Romeo Crennel when they were at their best defensively. Belicheat is a better game/team manager of personnel, that’s all.

      • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

        Hang on a second here…. She can be objective, even if I disagree with her at times (a lot, actually). The same thing can be said about you & Daryl… we all know your stance on PR, as well. It doesn’t stop you from doing it, though.. does it? Debate the topic, by all means. But let’s not have any illusions that Stefanie is just taking things personally. She’s a fan of Rivers, and you aren’t. It’s very simple. Everyone on here is being a little bit sarcastic & opinionated, wouldn’t you say?

        • Daryl Peek

          For me, it’s not that I’m not a fan of Rivers. I want him to succeed. I’m critical of his big game history. That’s where my stance comes from. Until PR makes the play that wins a big game, I cannot continue to give him a pass. I’m not oblivious to the team theme in wins and losses but many Rivers fans seem to be stuck on deflecting his culpability in the win loss process.

  • 619chargers4life

    Rivers Rivers Rivers . Haha stay classy San Diego . It’s a team sport , and u can’t stop a third and long it’s Rivers fault . What a joke

  • RussinSactown

    He threw four TD passes. Cushing made an epic play on a hot read. This isn’t Madden and linebackers don’t all lay out for passes like that.
    If you want someone to flog, look at the secondary. They played 10 yards off of every wideout Houston had.

    • philiprules

      Agreed…big time. One awful throw and a ridiculous play by Cushing does not mean Rivers sucked. But there was plenty of other suckage to go around. Matthews? The Chargers are up 28-7 in the 3rd and he ends up with 13 rushes for the game? WTF is up with that play calling McCoy? You want to sit on a lead (=bad) and you want to do it with your best RB on the sideline (=really bad). And did anyone else think after that first catch of the game “where did this whole Matthews has no hands thing come from anyway” too?
      How can the defense consistently force the bad guys into 3rd and longs and then suddenly forget why they are on the field? The rush disappears, the coverage goes bye-bye. Is it so hard to get at least a decent “3rd play” after 2 great “1 & 2 plays”?
      The more things change, the more they remain the same. No killer instinct in either the players and especially the coaching staff at all.

  • Stefanie Smith

    Yeah, if this isn’t something. It’s Rivers’ fault that they couldn’t stop a 3rd and long.

    What I heard in my area of the woods, get rid of McCoy –too conservative. I don’t agree with that, but people at the grocery store think he was like he was in Denver when he made Peyton take a knee.

  • Stefanie Smith

    Hey, before you go on and on about how terrible Rivers is, check out his stats for Week 1 vs Brady, Eli, Ben R, Rodgers stats for week 1.

  • rcr1904

    I’m not blaming everything on 17 but he is the leader & he needs to learn that when he’s under pressure QUIT forcing the throw.. Cuz that’s when all the picks happen.. He was throwing the passes too low too.. So I expect him to be smart out there. OMG! That running game.. I think Fozzy needs to get more reps.. I’m not on 24 bandwagon.. Never was.. He gotta go! I was at the game. I’m am a season ticket holder & as a fan.. We all showed up.. Loud & representing the chargers & we need to win at home & on primetime.. C’mon man! How many times was the ball thrown to Brown? & Gates? Where was TuTu? Who was sopposed to be covering Andre Johnson? Whoever that was couldn’t do it.. Why wasn’t he doubled up on after he was embarrassing us? I have so many questions.

    • Stefanie Smith

      See? I think it might be the play calling. Where was Keenan Allen also? I think Whisenhunt had some on the bench. I am serious.

      • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

        I was wondering the same thing that night.

    • Ioane

      He do don’t force the throw on that pass. Woodhead looked open and out of nowhere, Cushing showed up and made a damn good play.

  • Ioane

    Jaguars, Vikings, Browns, Raiders, Tampa, Jets, Titans. These are just a few teams who are praying for a franchise QB like Rivers and yet, most Charger fans are trying to get rid of him. How typical. So who should the Chargers replace him with? I guaranteed that teams will all be waiting in line to swoop up Rivers as soon as he’s available. Calm down fans.

    We should of all knew that this season is the type of season that we hope for the best and expect the worse.

    Not one of us expected to be up 28-7. So what, we lost. It’s game one with so many more to come.

    Our D struggled to stop them on 3rd down. The Texans D turned up the heat and our offensive line struggled. Receivers were dropping balls at key situations.

    That BS penalty on Cam was bogus. It also doesn’t help when the texans are always starting on there own 30+ whenever we kicked or punted the ball.

    It’s not all Rivers fault. The entire team folded when the pressure was on.

    • kris

      I agree wholeheartedly. Its not ALL Rivers fault. I also agree there are teams with worse qb’s. But, I want a Superbowl win. If Rivers isnt the man to do it, lets move on now. I dont want to wait another 3-4 years and then decide, oh well we need a better qb.

      • Calman21

        It is not a move on situation. Rivers needs the talent around him. And for people (not you) that think that pocket passers are dying to the running QB, take a look at Kaepernick (and he is considered a run QB). Guy did nothing but be a pocket passer against Green Bay. Best QBs in the league are all pocket passers. The difference is they have WAY more talent around them than Rivers does. Brees is throwing to Colston, Moore, Graham and Sproles. Rodgers is throwing to Cobb, Nelson, Jones, and Finley. Talent is the key and this team will struggle (regardless of the QB) until they get used to the scheme and build talent. It would be fantastic if they made the play-offs but I am thinking it will end around 7-9 or 8-8 because it will take time for the offense to click. That being said I expect the Charger offense to do well against the iggles.

  • Ioane

    Continued…

    The play calling on both sides of the ball was too conservative. We should put our foot down on there necks when we had them down, but we didn’t. We switched into soft mode and when the Texans started to make a run, we weren’t able to recover.

  • Rob Base

    Still speechless no comment.

  • arnie

    had chat with Jamie dukes….

    @dreamerwestAG The truth is they need to get Phillip Rivers some help immediately.— Jamie Dukes (@jamiedukes) September 7, 2013

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      Truth.

  • Trey P

    Dont let the vikings get a hold of rivers there going to the super bowl!..And key drops are not rivers fault..If the fans want Rivers gone san Diego will be just like it was before him tomilson and bress got there Trash!Phillip is the only reason SD Dont gets beat up every year like they use to before they came along!

  • Thomas87

    In my opinion I don’t think rivers was the one to cost us the game.. You can’t put the whole second half one one player. CBs played 10 yards of the WRs when wright and cox are known for man? That’s got nothing to do with PR and everything to do with play calling. Our offense got shut down our defense got run over and the refs topped it off with a nice gimme win for the texans.. I think if cam didint get called for that BS we would have won..

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      Correct, Thomas… and we would be having a completely different conversation right now if the game would have been won. Most of us anyway. Some of us would still be perusing the stats for proof that Rivers is not our guy. The way I see it, they will be doing it until he has a ring.

  • Daryl Peek

    Ok, lets look at game one objectively. We scored at will in the first half it seems. But in reality it was a struggle in the first quarter. The lone 7 points we got were mostly due to the tipped pass int and subsequent short field. We had two good drives in the 2nd quarter that yielded 14 points. One drive was long and time consuming and the other was short, aided by penalties, BTW we won the penalty battle, yardage wise. Our running game was stumped by the number one run defense in the NFL from last season. That was a given most didn’t take notice of.

    Our D kept the Texans out of the end zone for the most part in the first half even though the Texans out gained us offensively, and controlled the time of possession . Shaub had more passing yards than PR in the first half. The missed FG on a long, time consuming drive was also testament to that. This was a precursor of what was to come in the second half, IMO. On the open thread I made note of the soft coverage/bend but don’t break D we were playing in the first half. I also said we needed to be stinger on giving up so much real estate defensively. Our D was gassed from the first half also. Couple all of that with the failure on offense in the second half, you get what we saw.

    I’m not blaming all of our failures on Rivers. But as the highly paid elite leader of our team it is up to him to help us RYZUP. WR dropped some passes, the running game was missing due in part to non committal to it… we averaged 4 yards a carry while the Texans were at 4.3. The defense failed in the second half, and PR threw some horrible passes also. I saw plenty of short or over thrown passes along with the few good ones that were dropped.

    Bottom line it was a total team loss but again PR is our QB and leader. QB’s always get the blame and or glory…. In the first half elite PR was back, and was praised. In the second half bad PR showed up and was blamed.

    There was good and bad in this game. It is just the first so the panic button should not be pushed. The microscope on PR is fair! As I wrote the other day, too big to fail is the argument many pose when you criticize PR. That will only keep us stuck! We all want PR to succeed. But if he can’t do it you have to be willing to move on like Harbaugh did with Alex Smith for Kapernick. No one knew Collin would be the beast he’s become. That was a ballsy move and big risk, just as it would be if we move on from PR.

    I can still remember many saying who would be better than AJ in 2011? AJ was too big to fail. The ongoing conversation from many was other teams would scoop him up quickly and we’d regret it. If change is truly the theme we must completely embrace it. We have first hand experience of the debacle partial change can bring… see the AJ Marty mess that still haunts us.

  • http://www.signonsandiego.com/ Ambitoos

    You can’t blame Rivers. This was a defensive disaster. Look at the stats for the defense.

    http://www.chargers.com/team/team-stats.html

  • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

    I’m more concerned about Pagano & Whisenhunt right now. Their lack of creative play calling after our first TD of the second half did not put ANY player in a position to succeed. I have NO IDEA why they changed their approach. Nor the fact that they decided it wasn’t a good idea to run to the right? I don’t get that, whatsoever… especially after all of the talk about how we were going to do that. That was a head scratcher to me. The majority of the runs went up the gut, or to the left. I thought Fluker & Clary were the “road-graders”… don’t they play on the right? That may be why the running game stalled… don’t you think? That’s bad play calling, and affected the offensive production in a HUGE way. Rivers needs to play better, and I’m not defending him. But, the coaches seemed to stop doing what was working, and got too cute, for whatever reason.

    • http://www.signonsandiego.com/ Ambitoos

      Pagano, not Whisenhunt, The O line was not as good in the second half.

      • Stefanie Smith

        Why did Whisenhunt drop the run when we still had a lead? That is Whis. Where was Ajirotutu, why so little done with Woodhead, where was Keenan Allen? Whose decision was it not to use these guys?

        • http://www.signonsandiego.com/ Ambitoos

          I can’t answer that Stef but the defense gave up 24 points in the second half. Clearly John Pagano didn’t get it done again. 28 points should have won that game for the Chargers .

          • Stefanie Smith

            I can’t argue with you about Pagano. Personally, I think he did something at the half. I am so mad, if I were his boss, he would be clearing out his desk.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            Thank you!
            I guess it’s on Philip to score 35 points from here out… behind a rag tag o-line, an average to below average running game, and receivers who can’t catch passes that are on the money…. all to make up for the inadequacies of a defense that goes into prevent mode in the third quarter…. Lucky he has those bitchin’ coordinators to bail him out with great play calling… Oh wait… he didn’t have that either in this game…. hmmmmm.

          • http://www.signonsandiego.com/ Ambitoos

            LOL.

    • Calman21

      Very accurate. I think Whisenhunt was scared of running at Watt. Pagano really needs to learn to press the receivers at the line, especially if they are going to be blitzing so much. The coaches should keep their foot on the gas pedal. If you have a huge lead with 2 mins to go then I can see just running down the clock but not with 25 mins to go. Run game really stalled because of the almost constant blitzing by the Texans in the second half. They essentially collapsed the pocket quickly almost everytime giving Rivers almost no time to throw. The interception was one of those times where he had a player in his face.

      • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

        I agree. I am very critical of Philip when he tries to do too much, and makes a dumb play (Tampa). But, that INT was not one of them. There WAS a player open over the middle on that play.. but, the pass rush gave him no time to scan the field, and that play was designed for Woodhead. Sometimes, it’s make a decision or get killed. Cushing was just athletic as HECK on that play. When the offensive line stops routinely collapsing every game.. then we can start to evaluate Rivers again. Until then, I don’t see the point.

        • Calman21

          I really feel like people should just erase their past bias of Rivers. This a completely new offense with new weapons and new problems. The Oline will take time to gel, as will the secondary. Give it a third of a year and some consistency will begin to emerge. We are not a rebuilding team IMO, we are an under talented team that will get better in the next few years. That being said we have the ability to do well now with what we have. The Texans are most likely a top 5 teams (especially after what I saw Monday). We put up good numbers with against a nasty defense and a more than solid offense. Cushing is an amazing player (essentially their Butler) and that was a great read and catch. I was actually fairly happy with the Oline most of the night, Pagano just didn’t leave enough blockers back to stop the rush during the second half, when they were rushing 5 + everytime. Eagles defense is a joke compared to the Texans, so the running and passing game will likely look a lot better. The defense should be rested and just have to do sprints during their time on the field (consider it incentive to cover the damn receivers).

        • Santee Jack

          The entire team is at fault for the loss. The D line for not generating a good pass rush (hurries are not sacks). The cornerbacks and safeties for not covering good enough; maybe too far off the intended receivers?

          As far as the interception is concerned, Rivers followed the ONE receiver the entire way, which the defender picked up on. Rivers did not look for any other receiver on the interception. He had been looking at alternate receivers earlier, but he stopped doing that. There were several times he had the time and other receiver were open.

    • tubbs45

      Scared of Pangnos half time adjustment, agreed. Whisenhunt – yet to be determined, but I willing to give him a little more leash, than pagano. The run game stalled because they were jamming 7-8 even 9 (the last 3rd down) in the box and forcing Philip to make hot reads, quick throws…

  • Charger1895

    Rivers problem is , when the games on the line, he chokes.

  • ECAVILLE/Ace of Spades

    Phillip Rivers is my Hero in this game! If Gates would have caught his dropped pass and Royal his than this would have been a different story. If the refs didn’t have their foot in their ass this would have been a different story. If the defense was ready for 4 complete quarters this would have been a different story. If if if if! Greatness is still in reach for my Chargers as long as Philip Rivers commands. The team is not far from achieving great things. Just do it! BOLT UP OR SHUT UP!!!

    • Craig Hasan

      Defense made that crucial stop only for the refs to throw a bullshit flag. Crap like that toughens a chance of winning.

  • bk

    The second half was like watching a tsunami. It was as if the Bolt’s defense was not there. A defense that cannot hold a 28-7 lead is not a defense, but rather an invitation for the other team to score….Huge issues here must be corrected fast, otherwise the Bolts will only be half a team if that. The pass defenders were playing way off the Texan’s receivers. True pass defenders are not first of all for the purpose of tackling pass receivers, but to prevent them from the receiving the passes. For the Texan’s quaterback and receivers, the entire second half was like playing catch. It was horrible to watch.The DC is at the heart of this….The second half the Texans completely stone-walled Matthews and Brown, and yet the OC continued to run them against a brick wall over and over again. No imagination whatsoever. Pete and Repeat were in the boat, Pete fell in, who was left? Sickening!….Then there is the huge matter of Danny Woodhead. He is a running back who never ran the ball one time. Foster for the Texans complained that he only ran the ball 17 times. Woodhead not touching the ball once in a run? What kind of charade is this? More than that, he was in only a handful of plays during the ad nauseum second half three and out epidemic. He caught two lousy passes all night. Why the millions of dollars contract for a 5 to 6 play insert or should I say trinket…..The few times Danny was in, he ran the same stupid slant and crossing routes every time. Cushing knew and saw the picture before it was painted and spoiled it. What about screen passes, dish passes, wide out passes behind the line to give Danny the open spaces that he is so dangerous in? Everybody in the universe knew the scant times he was in what routes he would run. Dumb and a complete waste of talent as a lethal perimeter runner and dangerous pass receiver. The OC is at the heart of this….The head coach complained about the loss as not being able to finish! Gobbledygook! If we can’t stop the pass and if we waste Woodhead talent in the future, we are finished!

    • Craig Hasan

      Can’t forget about that bs flag that GAVE Houston a free set of downs and allowed them to score a TD! Having to worry bout the other team making a comeback or blowing a lead is bad enough. Now our Bolts have to worry bout the refs and those candy flags they throw in favor of the other team.

  • Ian P.

    If not for Rivers this team would go 0-16. Would you rather have Clipboard Jesus start? Elite qbs are not easy to find. Chargers are going to have some really rough years when Rivers is gone.

    • tubbs45

      LOL totally agree!

  • tubbs45

    Why are we no getting Mathews out in space instead of running straight into the EVERYTIME. One time we do on the 14 TD pass was nice…

    • Daryl Peek

      RM24 also does a great job catching passes… see the first TD on Monday. That was more of a great catch than a good pass. Until proven wrong going forward, MM and Wiz are misusing both Mathews and Woodhead so far.

  • Dion Chin

    Anyone that blames PR for that lost is just looking for a scapegoat. PR played good enough to win that game and beat a team that many think is “Super Bowl” ready. I just wanna make it clear to all you fuckin’ haters, that the pick 6 from Cushing was can’t be pinned on Rivers. He was under high pressure, he needed to convert a 3rd down to keep the drive going and he had 3 texans surging him. On too of that, Cushing made a spectacular stretched out dive to make that INT. It’s not like he threw it right at him. So everyone just stfu about PR.

  • Dave O

    Agreed, Rivers was almost perfect in the first half and came out and threw another TD at the start of the second. He did enough to win that game IMO, it’s the guys that dropped balls and made bonehead plays that should be sharing the blame. When you put any quarterback in a pass-only type situation they’re going to struggle and that’s what happened in the 4th quarter. When we were relaxed and just ran our offense in the first quarter, we moved the ball and scored. It was only when the coaches went into panic mode and forced Rivers to pass on every down that he started playing bad. Blame to be shared all around not just #17.

  • Will

    Chargers fans aren’t pointing their fingers at Philip. It’s people who CALL THEMSELVES chargers fans that are pointing ther fingers at Philip. No real fan could possibly try to talk trash about RIVERS. Period. And anyone who would is a joke.

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  • Blue&gold_blood

    Put Rivers in a team with a good running game and good line . He will be one of the best qb out there

  • Tom Spalsbury

    The problem wasn’t Philip Rivers. It was our defense. They gave up 17 points. Philip gave up 7 points. With the interception. But Philip doesn’t seem very confident yet. I say the defense is at fault. I for one am not blaming Philip.

    • Derek

      Our defense was exhausted, and suffered from lack of depth, lax coverage. Our line all recieved a higher number of snaps than their traditional amount. The blame does not all fall on Phillip but Shaub did better under pressure than Phillip.