Predicting the Chargers 53 Man Roster

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December 16, 2012; San Diego, CA, USA; San Diego Chargers tight end Antonio Gates (85) is congratulated by wide receiver Malcom Floyd (80) after a touchdown in the fourth quarter against the Carolina Panther at Qualcomm Stadium. The touchdown tied the Chargers team all time record for touchdown receptions. The Panthers won 31-7. Mandatory Credit: Christopher Hanewinckel-USA TODAY Sports

Time to look at that 53 man roster again. Here we go:

Quarterbacks (3)
QB1 Philip Rivers
QB2 Charlie Whitehurst
QB3 Brad Sorensen

Notes:
Nothing new here. This will be our 3. First time we have had 3 in a long time.

Runningbacks (5)
RB1 Ryan Mathews
RB2 Danny Woodhead
RB3 Ronnie Brown
RB4 Fozzy Whittaker
FB2 Leron McClain

Notes:
Ronnie Brown still has not shown me anything. He still is on the bubble in my head and could be released for a lineman or something.

Tight Ends (3)
TE1 Antonio Gates
TE2 John Phillips
TE3 Ladarius Green

Notes:
And the Ladarius one steps up again! Please get some big snaps during the regular season.

Wide Receivers (5)
WR1 Malcom Floyd
WR2 Vincent Brown
WR3 Eddie Royal
WR4 Keenan Allen
WR5 Seyi Ajirotutu

Notes:
TuTu has shown that he will be a weapon on this offense.  Why do teams keep letting him go?

Offensive Linemen (9)
LT1 King Dunlap
LG1 Chad Rinehart
C1 Nick Hardwick
RG1 Jeromey Clary
RT1 DJ Fluker
C David Molk
T Mike Harris
G/C Stephen Schilling
G/C Rich Ohrnberger

Notes:
Wow Max… WOW!!! That was a terrible performance from Max Starks. One that will get him off of the team. I expect a few people to be added in this department off the waiver wire.

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  • FitzWilly
    • arnie

      Ah yes. Our “friends” at the network. How they love us.

  • thegorn

    Time to scour the waiver wire. Our guys suck!

  • Stefanie Smith

    Brian Banks got cut by the Falcons. I love that guy. I wish TT and the Chargers would pick him up. I know they won’t, though.

    • JoseSD

      Love the story or love him for what he contributes to help the team win which isn’t much. He hasn’t played meaningful games since high school. Its a feel good story but I don’t think he can compete on the field against athletes with experience and skill far superior than his

  • navw21

    This looks like the best we could do with what we have. TT will surely be looking for improvements from other teams cuts.

  • R1CHeR1CH

    Beltre.

  • Lee

    I think Kaiser makes it over beltre

  • Stefanie Smith

    “looking for improvements from other teams cuts” — sounds familiar. Brings back memories of AJ’s scrounging for scraps. I am sure there are some out there, but why have we been in this situation, time and time again–looking at somebody else’s discards? After all these years, why don’t we have depth in our roster?

    AJ Smith blew a lot of dough and draft picks on non performers. We are still paying for it. The only thing I have an issue with the current management is–we got rid of some of our guys and replaced them with who?

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      1) Jammer & Cason – Cox & Wright = Upgrade
      2) Barnes & Phillips – Ingram & Freeney = Upgrade.. English hasn’t been bad, but Johnson has suddenly come on strong with the pressure.
      3) Franklin & Garay – Thomas & Geathers = About an even swap IMO.. maybe a slight downgrade (because of Franklin), but much less expensive.
      4) Atari Bigby – Taylor & Gilchrist = About even. I would have said slight downgrade, until Taylor made an early recovery, and will play now.
      5) Clary – Fluker = Upgrade
      6) Green – Rinehart = Upgrade
      &) Harris – Dunlap = Upgrade
      6) Vasquez – Clary = Downgrade.. but that’s the only one I can think of.

      Where are all these downgrades you keep mentioning, Stef? I just don’t see it. Some of these positions certainly aren’t fixed permanently, but we have gotten better since last season, from what I have seen on the field so far, and in practices. Please elaborate.

      Also.. “Brings back memories of AJ’s scrounging for scraps.” – AJ had a MUCH better cap situation than TT has, and did a terrible job with it… so you are going to have to come to terms with bargain basement this season. At least TT seems to not be so hard headed, and comes from a winning culture that turned a basement team into a playoff team last year.

      • JoseSD

        Thank you Pete, I know this is a blog for fans to state opinions, but gets really annoying when people comment on here with their views on the team from the players to management but don’t back up their opinions with facts or actual football knowledge

        • Stefanie Smith

          That is why I asked, Jose. Because I could not see the upgrade. In fact, even Pete’s scenario has some “about evens”, a “downgrade”, and a slight “downgrade” Then, the issue becomes disputing whether there is an actual upgrade…as in the case of Harris. We complained about him last year. This is only the preseason and no, he is not stupdendous.
          I’ question it… just as many are doing.

          We used to get mad when AJ did it–scrounging for other teams’ cast offs. Just can’t see how when TT does it, it all of a sudden becomes the magic elixir to the Superbowl.

          • JoseSD

            I don’t remember getting mad at AJ for “scrounging” off other teams Danario Alexander was an injury castoff from the Rams but became our leader in TD receptions When we lost McNeil Gaither was 3rd stringer with the Chiefs that got cut for a false start penalty but he came in 5days before a game started and didn’t allow a single sack for the rest of the season the team went 4-1 with him at LT it wasn’t til he got his payday that his “back spasms” got him the boot. I would actually disagree with some of Pete’s evaluation.HHis only downgradewwas Clary instead of Vasquez, id say its debatable Vasquez strength was pass protection whereas at guard Clary is a better run blocker than Vasquez. And his about even I would disagree. Gilchrist is a huge improvement over Bigby, Gilchrist a former CB is better in pass coverage and a much better tackler than Bigby. And Thomas and Geathers are a better combination than Franklin Garay.. The two of them bring something that Garay couldn’t do consistently and that’s penetrating the backfield and collapsing the pocket. It’s hard to find a nose tackle that can both stuff the run and get pressure on the QB and that’s something that Geathers and Thomas can both do

          • Stefanie Smith

            Many on this board used to say AJ is out dumpster diving for players. You may have been happy with that, but it doesn’t seem to encourage a whole lot of confidence.

          • Stefanie Smith

            And it is hard to say that Ingram is an upgrade because he has hardly even played. Won’t be until year 3 that we get to see what Melvin Ingram has. So no, I would not classify him as an upgrade as he has not demonstrated much of anything yet.

          • TheReturnOfMrBlanks

            Gonna need another year of FA and 2014 draft before we can start having the depth we need. This is a 2 year rebuild in every way possible.

          • Daryl Peek

            Agreed. I hate that!

          • Stefanie Smith

            okay. I think that is what was bothering me. No depth. And yes, you are right Mr. Blanks. It will take another year of FA and another draft before we have depth. Yeah, I think I was expecting something huge this year and it’s not possible.

          • boltingindiego

            we would have been in a better position to increase our depth but our old gm crippled our cap with horrrible contracts of big lazy and meachem. he over spent for jj but at least he has actually played decent.

          • boltingindiego

            basically its whos better freeney or phillips we will see after this year. barnes whent to the jets for a better contract and to the coach who coached him in balt.

          • Daryl Peek

            I agree with everything you said til Garay. Antonio was a beast at being a disruptive pass rusher from the NT position. 8 sacks for a NT is very good over a two year span. Injuries and age were his downfall with us. Both Franklin and Garay fell victim to the youth movement on the D-line.

          • JoseSD

            I just didn’t like the inconsistency from Garay I still remember his power and wrestling background against the colts when he threw the RG Linkenback into Manning for a sack. I think overall this team is improved on Defense Reyes,Thomas, Liuget is a great line. Cox,Wright,Gilchrist, Weddle is a better starting 4ar DB than last season and Freeney looks like the old freeney again. And Spikes though a great leader was too slow Bird/Smith/Gachkar and hopefully T’eo is hopefully an upgrade

          • boltingindiego

            garay was cut cuz he had horrible year and because of his contract. franklin was for the youth movement.

          • Daryl Peek

            Garay only played in 8 games due to injury. He also was moved to DT. Salary, injuries and the youth movement was the reason for cutting him. It was the plan that fit for McCoy & TT.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            Agreed… However, when Cam played in 2010 (I believe) he had 4 sacks too, and in limited playing time. He just hasn’t had much opportunity to start behind these vets. He looked good this preseason, I feel. And Geathers hasn’t even played yet, so he is an unknown… he looks promising, and blocked a FG to boot. I think it is a slight downgrade if any… but, with far more potential. As you said… the other two were getting old, and Garay couldn’t stay healthy last season, unfortunately. Not saying they were bad.. I just can’t say we downgraded yet. I agree with you, that they were a victim of the youth movement, though.

          • Daryl Peek

            With Norv and Pags it’s not about starters VS back ups. Snaps superseded that distinction. Both Cam and Martin were grooming projects. Norv was not confident in their abilities to make them full time starters. D-line was always a rotation theme.

          • Stefanie Smith

            Do you see the dialogue this creates? Not everyone agrees. But that doesn’t make them incorrect. There are even sports analysts who are writing about Telesco’s first year and was it good or was it not so good. So I am not the only one out there that has some questions. Do you actually feel confident about the Chargers starting out this season? Do you think we can get beyond an 8-8 season for 2013? Yes, AJ did damage, but TT is going to be judged on what he did to fix it, if anything.

          • JoseSD

            Writing about his first year before it even starts?? My only gripe is that you criticize before there’s anything to criticize him for let the season progress before we decide how he’s doing you can’t even judge a draft until 3 years later. Can you let them play a game that actually counts before you compare him to AJ? Yeah the depth is terrible but in my opinion the roster in terms of starters is better than last year. LT,LG and RT are better Woodhead is better than Battle and Brinkley, Reyes is better than Martin but that can’t be credited to Telesco.. Cox and Wright are better than Cason and Jammer Gilchrist is better than Bigby, Philips is better than McMichael and Freeney is looking like the old Freeney

          • Stefanie Smith

            I question it. You are uncomfortable with anyone who questions. What is wrong with posing the question? I don’t think he should have dumped some of our vet players. You disagree. But I shouldn’t say anything, because he is a new GM? Come on now. It is not that big of a deal and only a big deal to the TT fanboys and girls who think he can never make a mistake.

          • Daryl Peek

            This is the same argument that could be used against you when it comes to Rivers, Stefanie. LOL

          • Stefanie Smith

            Yeah, but I don’t stop you. I argue for a living, so I like a spirited argument. Some take it real personal. And you are so right. I am almost overly protective of Rivers and I don’t even know him. lol. Say something bad about him…and grrrrr.

          • Daryl Peek

            BWAHAHAHA

          • Stefanie Smith

            Hey, I admit it. Mr, Peek,

          • JoseSD

            I don’t have a problem with you questioning his job I just wish your reasons or arguments were something beyond “im not the only one” “others are writing about it”. Did you expect him to turn around the team with only about $12 mil in cap space and 7 draft picks. It takes time AJ took over a team in 2003 that had gone 2-14 the year before and 1,15 his first year. It took him 3 drafts 2004-2006 to make this team into division winners 4 years in a row though I have to say the 12-4 2004 season was a big surprise. I just don’t understand the overly critical remarks. Sure it would have been nice to keep Vasquez and Philips but we couldn’t afford it and as much as it hurts Jammer wasn’t cutting it as a CB here. I think he’s doing surprisingly well with the cards dealt to him. How would you feel if I criticized a meal you cooked based solely on the ingredients and not tasting the actual food you made?

          • boltingindiego

            sports analysts who judge a gm based on their 1st season b4 the season starts is an idiot.

          • boltingindiego

            numerous reasons why they are cut depth at the position. didn’t fit their scheme, salary.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            The difference is, that AJ Smith had the money & the talent, but let talent walk for average cheaper players. TT didn’t have the talent or the money that AJ was blessed with, and is forced to let good players go, because he had so many frggin’ holes to fill, but practically no money. I am certain that he would still be shrewd, even if more money was available, but he wouldn’t be dumpster diving.. he is just forced to do that because of the mess AJ left.

          • Stefanie Smith

            That is a valid point, Pete. Mr. Blanks brought it up, that this is a 2 year fix. I am expecting a miracle rebound right now. Probably not realistic.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            He has made a difference here. Even if we go 7-9, because some of these guys are young, and still learning.. or even just stop-gap players until we can get better players.. .. it’s better than going 7-9 with “supposedly” more talented players that are getting past their prime, and who let so many winnable games slip through their fingers last season. If I see some actual fight from this team this year, instead of just rolling over and playing dead with a 28 point lead.. at least they fought. I guarantee you won’t get that “they are going to blow this again” feel to it, if we get that kind of lead… no 4th & 29′s either.

          • Stefanie Smith

            I would be happy with that. If they remain competitive and not roll over. Yeah, and no 4th and 29′s or giving up huge leads.

            I don’t want that weird “they will screw this up” feeling again either.

      • Stefanie Smith

        Pete: The downgrades are exactly as you list them.

        • boltingindiego

          We couldn’t keep garay with his cap # plus he had a horrible season last year so he had to go. vasquez. couldn’t have been kept especially with the contract he got from the donkeys.

          • Stefanie Smith

            Thanks for your explanations. And yes, it is not always about who is better, who is worse. But did we get better with the replacements? That is my worry. Everyone on the old Chargers was not crap just because they were hired by AJ.

          • boltingindiego

            we might have been able to to keep vasquez cut clary but the draft hadn’t happened yet so thats a gray area. I would say that most of his free agents that he signed to replace people who he drafted let walk away were horrible though. What hurt our depth on our line was losing our left side of our o-line in 1 year unexpectedly. Also not developing a ss after keil was released was a major mistake

    • JoseSD

      Every team does that, a lot of players have the talentbut the numbers just don’t fit. A coupe years ago when the Chargers had WR Laurent Robinson they cut him in favor of Bryan Walters the cowboys picked him up and he had a pro bowl caliber season. After the preseason the Chargers cut Wes Welker and put him on the practice squad but the Dolphins swiped him then traded him to the Patriots and he’s been a star since. The Cowboys cut Danny Amendola and the Rams picked him up and he was arguably their best WR for 3 years. It’s the way of the NFL as we saw in game 4 some teams have way better depth on their teams but there’s only 53 spots available just cause you’re cut from a team doesn’t mean your career is over

  • Sergio Quintero

    Did Troutmann have a serious arm injury yesterday? Or just cut him because he sucks?

    Agree on Middleton over Addae, a safety who doesn’t wrap up or can block on specials teams is not a good selling point.

  • tubbs45

    I still think we should have kept ‘Da Rock’ Baker over Brown. they was a lot of upside with baker. though Brown is a great blocker and I cant say the same for Baker or Hill…

  • Daryl Peek

    I say Keiser over Williams or Beltre. I can’t see Keiser not on this team.

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      I agree. He didn’t have a WOW game last night, but he was at least in the mix of making tackles, and applying pressure. Beltre had a better game last night, but I just don’t trust him being on the 53. Practice squad him. I am pretty sure he will be safe. If not.. no huge loss.

      • Daryl Peek

        What has Jerrell Harris looked like? I haven’t noticed him so that in itself says a lot but Bama defenders usually stick in the NFL.

        • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

          I saw him walking around in the game last night.. but he didn’t jump out in any of the games. But I wasn’t looking for him, either.

  • TheReturnOfMrBlanks

    Man Cromartie and Jahleel played their way right off the team, I actually don’t even want Jahleel to make the team. Dude seems undersized and can’t thump for blocks or wrap up like Ernie said. I have to believe after watching that mess of a game that we could pickup several cuts by more loaded teams. Those spots that are Alexander’s/Mouton’s/Ingram’s and Williams leaves gapping holes for 4 less then par guys to make the team. I wouldn’t be surprised if we brought in 5-7 dudes to see if we can get a better 53 then what we have now.

    • arnie

      That would be a safe bet. The 49ers are overloaded. Good place to start..

  • TheReturnOfMrBlanks

    Best name of a roster cut so far by the Pats: OL Matt Stankiewitch

    Mr. StankieWitch! I’d hate to be his wife lol Mrs. StankieWitch

  • arnie

    You done messed up in that game!? Now i gotta’ cut ya’!!

  • Daryl Peek

    Doing some early homework on roster cuts around the league:

    WR/KR Charles Hawkins of the Cards, DE/OLB Brandon Copeland of the Ravens are two names that jump out IMO. Hawkins could fill Goodman’s role and is a much better WR prospect than RG. Copeland has Freeny like traits. He was a hand down LB in college that was disruptive in the backfield.

    • Daryl Peek

      More recent roster cut names that jump out:

      WR Tobais Palmer a WR/KR with speed, speed, SPEED.

      WR Toney Clemons another WR/KR with great speed but is also big at 6’2″ 210 and is very physical, fights for 50/50 balls and was a helluva blocker in the run game down field, ala V-Jax, in college.

      WR Jeremy Ebert another Welker like ex Patriot with KR skills and speed to burn. Where do they find all these little white guys with wheels? *looking*

      OLB Julian Stanford; Was expected to compete with Geno Hayes for a starting job with the Jags, a NFL farm team IMO. lol

      CB Marcus Trufant; we all know the name, solid vet to have as depth.

      FB Michael Robinson; blocked for Frank Gore in Frisco and Beast Mode in Seattle. Could be a LoNeal like upgrade over McClain IMO.

      • Lee

        i like trufant

  • arnie

    Ernie i can’t really go against this list. However you know this will dramatically change once cuts get into full swing. My two cents though, i Go with Keiser, Beltre looked good last night, Keiser has just been more consistent in every game.
    As for out WR situation, i’d say LaDarius is going to help in that department. A lot. It would be foolish to not line him up in the slot, and leave Tutu, Floyd, VB, an Allen free to run outside the numbers.

  • navw21

    Antonio Garay was released by the Jets. Maybe he would come back for depth.

    • Gunnar Martin

      He can play DE too, right? Fascinating…

  • Stefanie Smith

    Jets cut Garay.

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      Ya…. don’t… say….. Lol.. Just teasing.

      • arnie

        And he was such a good NT. I guess TT new what he was doing?

  • Daryl Peek

    Total rebuild mode is the thing most of us as loyal BOLT fans don’t want to concede. This early in the season it’s killing me! It stings even more when I look back at the great squads we had 05-10, and how we squandered our chance consistently over EGO. I know it’s not that simple but that was the inception. It sealed the fate of the Brees, LT, PR, Marty & Norv era’s and were still paying…

    • Stefanie Smith

      Perfect way to say it, Mr. Peek. I cannot concede a rebuild either.

  • Daryl Peek

    Michael Gehlken ‏1h
    Chargers have begun informing players they’ve been cut. Among them, CB Cornelius Brown has been waived. Phillip Dillard also.

  • navw21
  • TheReturnOfMrBlanks

    NFL trade rumors list of cuts: OT Max Starks, CB Cornelius Brown, LB Phillip Dillard, S Sean Cattouse, CB Greg Gatson, LB Jerrell Harris, CB William Middleton, LB Dan Molls, OT Randy Richards, G Steve Schilling, WR Luke Tasker

  • arnie
    • TheReturnOfMrBlanks

      Here’s all of them: OT Max Starks, CB Cornelius Brown, LB Phillip Dillard, S Sean Cattouse, CB Greg Gatson, LB Jerrell Harris, CB William Middleton, LB Dan Molls, OT Randy Richards, G Steve Schilling, WR Luke Tasker

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      I’m still a little disappointed about Starks. Not that I was expecting a Clady-type LT, but he couldn’t even defend against second stringers, and lost out to Mike Harris. I did not see that coming. I kinda feel bad for the guy… and us. Never fun to watch someone who has superbowl rings get cut like that. Oh well… onward & upward, as they say.

  • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

    Great debates on here, guys!!! I could hardly keep up. I <3 you guys!

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