Dr. Telesco’s Experiment


OK, folks. Here it goes. It’s Sunday, so this post might get silly… so, whatevs. Here it goes.

After the long fantasized exit of A..J. Smithers, and Norv “The Neck” Turner… a number of fans still have reservations (if not, concerns) about the decisions of the new Chargers management. There aren’t many fans out there with any illusions about this being a great season. How could you? We have tuned in everyday, only to see players leaving through roster cuts, and free agency. Some you didn’t care… Some you did.

Gaither, Spikes, Bigby, Cason, and Garay were shown the door… I think we all saw that coming. Vasquez went to Denver… wasn’t a good feeling. It was followed by Barnes, and Martin signing with new teams. Phillips, and Jammer probably won’t be signing here, either. When Franklin left, people lost their minds on here.

As a fan, it was difficult to watch.

Sure, it was great to watch Norv & A.J. hit the turn-style.. pink slips in hand. It was long overdue. We watched helplessly, as the “status quo” was imposed upon us, year after year. It was a continuous spoonful of bad medicine. Unfortunately, their firings didn’t make it much sweeter. We all knew that our playoff caliber team, from not-so-long-ago, was capable of hoisting the trophy. Things were handled THAT badly.

As to what’s going on now, one can only speculate. Local media sources have been cut off. Signings have been relatively unknown, and unusual. Strange names… new faces…. threaded together by a couple of solid signings, some up & coming talent, and some Pro-Bowl veterans. We are all looking up to the top of the hill.

… to Charger Castle.

Nobody really knows what’s going on inside. You can see the occasional flickering of light through the laboratory window. The drawbridge has been lifted, and the gates are closed. Are they building a younger, hungrier monster…made of fresh parts… hand picked by a young mad-scientist, conducting his first solo experiment? (as a commenter named Russ Grant implied today) Or, is it going to be a mutation of inexperienced, and incapable players… only worthy of the “how-not-to” film reel?

What’s scarier, is that the monster isn’t even close to finished. We are looking to the draft for multiple starters, we’re stuck with a few potential busts, and are handcuffed by salary cap & expensive contracts. I don’t envy the San Diego Chargers new management (except for the salary). Dean Spanos still owns the team. He probably needs to be actively involved, without forcing the GM’s hand, for a year or two anyway. One thing I hope he has learned, is that if the experiment isn’t working, you need to abort, Faster than he did with Norv, and A.J.

Which leads me to… yes!!!… another poll. I know I may look like a one trick pony here, but polls get the truth of what the readers think. So, GO POLL!!!!! It’s 11 days until election day… or maybe execution day, if TT doesn’t orchestrate it perfectly. Let’s not ride the fence here. Feel free to abstain if you are a hipster, and just want to vent about it in the comments.

Is Tom Telesco doing a good job? Or, is Tom Telesco doing a bad job?

And, we are talking about right now. Don’t pull the “It’s too early to tell” card. You can change your mind later… it’s anonymous.

Is Tom Telesco Doing A Good Job?

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  • Cgoodness13

    Maybe he can sow the parts of all football great LTs and make a Frankenstein LT!!!! MUHAHAHA!!!!!

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      Hahaha…

  • http://boltbeat.com/ Ernie Padaon

    First 12 votes… 11-1 yes!! Why does it seem like there are a lot more frustrated people than that!

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      It ain’t over yet. Last poll was 280+ deep.

    • arnie

      i think it has to do with letting players like Vasquez an Franklin go, and signing the list of “unnamables”.

      • Guest

        Did you see the contract Vasquez got from the Donkeys? The guy never made the pro-bowl yet got the a top 10 contract a guard has ever received. Was he worth that?

        Hell no.

        • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

          Vasquez is a top ten guard. That’s why the Broncos paid him accordingly.

          As to the Pro-Bowl: Weddle did not get to the Pro-Bowl this year. Does that determine that he is a crap player at least for this year? No.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            He is top 10 ever in the NFL? I beg to differ ma’am. Do you think the Chargers could afford to pay a guard 7M/year given the fact that’s how much cap space is left right now? Let’s get real.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

            We should have paid him. Thus, that is why Denver did pay him and we have King Dunlap. I will have to check what his previous salary was to know what the impact on the cap would be. If we were already paying him $3 mill a year and we were to pay him $7 milll, then the additional cap hit would be $4 mill. I don’t know what he previously got paid, so I would have to check. (Update: look below to see what Vasquez actually gets paid and how his deal is structured. Would not have destroyed our cap limit.)

            Hey, we found the money to pay Derek Cox a bundle now, didn’t we?

            Check out Cox’s deal:
            http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Derek%20Cox&Position=CB&Team=Chargers

            Here is what Vasquez is actually getting paid by the Broncos. Looks worth it to me and far from damaging and outrageous as you suggested..

            http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Louis%20Vasquez&Position=G&Team=Broncos

          • JoseSD

            Can you shut up about Vasquez already, he is an above average pass blocker and a terrible run blocker. He didn’t want to sign here period. Vasquez pulled the Vjax.. After being disrespected by not getting extended sooner by AJ he told the media he would love to play here and work out a deal but signed a big contract with someone else in the first hour of free agency. He didn’t want to play here anymore. And as for Cox his contract is less than Vasquez at a premium defensive position. A guard is the 4 th most important position on the o line after LT,C,RT. And if we did sign Vasquez we’d have way less cap space and a hole at the starting CB spot. At least there’s two players capable of taking the starters spots at G in Rhinehart and Troutman and that’s if they don’t draft Cooper or Warmack

          • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

            This is a blog. Don’t tell me what I should be talking about., Please don’t respond. And stop being rude. I did not address any of my comments to you. I notice you do not tell Arnie to shut up and stop talking about Vasquez. You are truly rude as I wasn’t even in a dialogue with you.

            When you pay my internet bill, you can tell me what to do. I would appreciate you mentioning the prohibition about bringing up Vasquez to everyone in here along with myself. Thank you.

            Simply because you don’t think Vasquez was worth anything, doesn’t make it reality. Plenty of Charger fans and sports folks think he is an excellent player. People on here brought him up also. So get off my case as I wasn’t even responding to you.
            And Vasquez’s contract would not have broke the bank. I’m not the only one that wanted Vasquez to stay. If you had read the article, even the article brought up Vasquez going to the Broncos. Voice your objection to the writer of the article if you don’t like it when people respond.

            At your convenience, maybe you could post a list of what you think are approved topics for discussion.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            Though Jose may have been “rude” he brings up excellent points. Guard is not a premium position. We have holes at LT and RT, Jammer and Cason are doneski, SP still hasnt signed. All of these are at a higher premium than a guard. So signing a guard to a top 10 contract to ever be had by a guard while you have giant holes at other premium positions would be stupid.

            I’m not sure if Vasquez is your relative or friend but to me he is nothing but an over-paid over-valued guard. Nothing compared to the likes of Kris Dielman. He is much more valuable to the Donkey’s. They dont have holes in every other aspect of their team like the Chargers.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

            Quit, Go talk to arnie like that. Why did you feel the need to make a remark about Vasquez being a relative? I mean, the guy that wrote the article talked about Vasquez. I am writing this to you. Why did you feel the need to make your response to me personal? What would it matter if he was my relative? for heaven’s sake.

            You think what the Broncos paid him is top 10 money? Did you even see what they are paying him?

            And guard is a premium position. Tell that to Rivers that it isn’t.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            lol. Who is Arnie and why does his opinion matter more than anyone else”s?

            He hasnt responded to my comment about the Bolts not being able to afford a contract such as the one Vasquez got from the Donkeys…because I’m right and there’s nothing left to say.

            A guard is the least valuable position on the Oline (like Jose stated). LT is much more valuable to Rivers than a G. You have to know football before getting into arguments.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

            Because you two (you and Jose) are singling me out to harrass. I beg you to go harrass him. Thank you from the peanut gallery. You appear to be intimidated by males who post on this board and find it easier to insult/harangue/be rude to females who post. Go give him a hard time for awhile.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            Lol. This has absolutely nothing to do with gender. We are talking football. When someone makes a bad argument I call them out on it. It doesnt matter what that person’s gender is.

            I’m sorry if I offended you by calling you on your flawed argument. I’ll take your feelings into consideration next time I comment on something you say (which will be never).

          • Guest

            Okay, Fair enough. Just please go argue with somebody else. Thanks. Kind of concerned right now about the Boston Marathon bombing. Or should I not mention that either?

          • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

            That was my response up there Not sure what is going on with the internet right now.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

            Fair enough. Go argue with someone else and hone your socratic skills elsewhere. Thanks.

          • arnie

            That’s because i go to school an work full time. i’ve also spent a lot of time sharing my opinion with Stefanie, and respecting hers. Whether i agree with her or not is irrelevant, since nothing any of us say here will change or influence what the Chargers do.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            Word. I hear you. Why is it irrelevant to disagree? We’re just bs’ing, discussing the Chargers, a sport, entertainment. There’s no animosity on this end. Its ok to have an opinion but when you voice it, don’t get offended if someone disagrees with it. If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen. I understand now that Stefanie jumps to conclusions about gender favoritism and such, so I’ll refrain from commenting on things she says in the future. Lesson learned.

          • arnie

            I’m not against disagreement. that’s part of discussion. However there are times when what i’ve said has been mis-iterpreted. And it’s hard to understand intent with a few typed words on the interweb. what i learned over the years is, at some point i just had to let it go. i would get so caught up in trying to prove that I’m right, i’d forget i’m not right. it’s just my opinion.
            So, what i try to do is define my thoughts with as much factual information as possible, then reason as much truth as can from that. Sometimes i don’t like what i find. But if it’s the truth, it is what is is…

          • JoseSD

            I don’t tell Ernie to shut up because he doesn’t bring up Vasquez constantly like you do as a reason to bash on TT, there’s not much you could do to sign a guy that doesn’t want to play on this team apart from overpaying him which isn’t even an option thanks to AJ. You say we paid Cox. You know why they could afford to pay Cox but couldn’t pay Vasquez, they didn’t have the cap space in the first hour of free agency. They have reasonable cap space now because TT cut 5 mil with Garay who spent more time cutting his hair and driving his hello kitty car then he spent time on the field, saved another 3.5 mil by cutting a 36 year old LB too old and slow to cover receivers, saved another 1.5 cutting a hard hitting ganja smoking safety that can’t catch, tackle properly, and bit on every play action pass. The only guy I agree with you on Franklin, but if he was here Cam Thomas would not have his shot to take over the Nose Tackle spot. I know shut up was a little harsh and I apologize, but with Vasquez I feel you can’t blame TT. Do you blame Telesco for not extending him last offseason, or low balling him during the season? Do you blame TT when Vasquez’s agent says his client was disrespected by the management. I had hopes of him returning but the way he left it’s obvious he had already decided to leave and play elsewhere, that’s why I think you’re whole Vaques argument is irrelevant

          • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

            This whole board brought him up. You can go on ad nauseam and no one should write a thing in response. I get how this is supposed to work.,

            You’re not even looking on this page or this article (which Ernie didn’t even write.)

          • JoseSD

            I don’t know who Arnie is so I thought you meant Ernie, and reading the comments I see Arnie only mentioned Vasquez in saying that some are frustrated in losing him and Franklin, you on the other hand constantly post comments about Vasquez as being a major black eye on TT’s 2 months on the job. I already stated my opinion as to why he isn’t playing here(AJs mistakes) and there’s the whole salary cap space thing, signing him would have left them at zero. Remember all the cuts that gave us the extra 12 mil in cap space came after. And let’s be completely honest. He wasn’t that great to begin with. Vasquez is a one dimensional player. He didn’t allow a lot of sacks, but if you were a defensive coordinator who would you blitz against. Vasquez or Clary?? And we’re not harassing you, we just have a vastly different opinion from yours and are stating ours

          • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

            I brought up arnie, as he also commented about Vasquez, but you found it necessary to only respond to me about my Vasquez comments and to shut up. Point that out to him–tell him to “shut up about Vasquez already”. And don’t exaggerate. I yap more about Danario Alexander than Vasquez. If you are consistent with your disapproval then point that out to others that are Vasquez supporters. Thanks.

          • arnie

            That would be me. carry on.

          • http://boltbeat.com/ Ernie Padaon

            hahahaha… love it

          • arnie

            you’ve been reading all his haven’t you?

          • http://boltbeat.com/ Ernie Padaon

            of course i have. was wondering when you were going to get the chance to log in and read it all for yourself

          • arnie

            LOL. i have a short window to comment. that will change soon…

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            You know I was.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            It’s funny when people talk about you when you aren’t around.. especially when it escalates to this level.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            This was my first ever time commenting on a boltbeat thread. So I dunno any of you guys. No offense intended.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            None taken, Zab. It was just funny from my perspective, that’s all. Welcome to the site, and please keep commenting. This is just people having “offseason withdrawals”.. Lol. Can you imagine what it gets like when we REALLY have something to squabble about?!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            Thanks guys, will do. I’m pretty opinionated when it comes to this stuff haha.

          • http://boltbeat.com/ Ernie Padaon

            Happy you have joined in on the fun. Hope to see you often on here

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            Lol… I was laughing when I was reading it, knowing that you go to school, and aren’t on here as much anymore. A nice little present waiting for you = )

          • arnie

            LOL…we

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            Sorry if you are getting a bunch of repeat comments.. my browser is acting lame, and the comments I posted weren’t there.. so I repost.. then they are all of a sudden there. Oh well. Just wanted to let you know I ain’t crazy.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            People don’t want to disagree with you, but will with others? I did not know that.

          • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

            It never dawned on me before this how close your names are.. Ernie n’ Arnie. How special.. hahaha!

      • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

        Did you see the contract Vasquez got from the Donkeys? The guy never made the pro-bowl yet got a top 10 contract a guard has ever received. Was he worth that?

        Hell no.

        • arnie

          it’s good to have an opinion, but what’s important, he wasn’t constantly injured, and he only gave up 2 sacks in the three years he was here.
          pro bowls are popularity contests, and the Chargers haven’t been very popular lately.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            The Chargers cant afford to pay a guard that kind of $. They had no choice but to let him go. They have 7mil in cap room right now with giant gaping holes everywhere.

          • arnie

            i agree they couldn’t pay him. What i don’t agree with is, they don’t have as many holes to fill as people think.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            Which holes do you think are filled? Gilchrist and Wright for #2 and #3 CB’s is holes. At least 1 G, RT, LT. Thats 4 big holes right there. Then someone needs to replace SP so OLB is a hole. Brandon Taylor is a big question mark at SS. We have no legit RB. No real deep threat in the passing game. Gates is way past his prime…we have A LOT of holes.

          • arnie

            There are a lot of young players already on this roster that can meet those needs, and yes Gilchrist an Wright are two of them. Gilchrist is 24 years old, in his second year, and had a grand total of “8″ starts for the Chargers. And from that, you’ve determined his position on the depth chart?
            Hardwick, Baxter, Molk at C.
            Ohrnberger, Rinehart, Troutman at G.
            Dunlap, Harris, Haslam, at T
            Dunlap can play anywhere and Rinehart can play T too. Harris is a better RT an Troutman can be a awesome G, if he had more snaps to develop.( i left dombrowski an clary off)

            Ingram, Johnson, Butler, english, Bird, Gachkar, Dillard, Moutan, i know you said OLB, but Ingram is listed as a LB and lined up outside.
            I’lll stop there. You’ll have to look at the rest of the depth chart yourself, http://www.chargers.com/team/roster.html

            Here is the real problem. the Chargers simply have a lot of young, “un-developed” players on the roster. that does not translate to “having holes”. It means there a lot of question marks on this team, that need to be answered. And the only way to do that is in camp. Telesco doesn’t seem to be a in a mad scramble, to fill said “holes”, so i gather he has done his homework, evaluated what he has, and proceeded with a plan.

            Stop eating what the media feeds you. And don’t drink the Kool-Aid.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            Thats well written. However, none of the guys you’ve mentioned had proven they are NFL caliber talent. Esp people like Wright, Gilchrist, Molk, Troutman. None of these guys are NFL starter material. Rinehart was let go for a reason, same with Dunlap, Harris was an undrafted free agent that struggled all year last year.

            Could these guys get better and perform? Of course they can. Will they? Probably not. If they were NFL caliber they wouldn’t be at the bottom of the scrap pile getting picked up by the Chargers for the NFL minimum. Gilchrist may turn out to be a good CB, is he ready to do that now? Nope.

            Telesco is not in a mad scramble because his hands are tied by the salary cap. You might be hungry but if you dont have the means to get some food, you’re gonna stay hungry.

          • arnie

            That wasn’t the topic. you said “holes”. i disagreed stating they have players to fill them. i also clearly stated these players were un-developed. If you want to change the subject to talk NFL caliber, that is a different topic. i don’t know what your opinion of NFL caliber is. but it’s just that your opinion. However you cannot evaluate a player with only 8 starts and two years in the league. you cannot expect harris, a RT in college, to be thrown into the mix, as a rookie and a be a star LT? his poor play wasn’t a result of his skills. it was poor coaching/management, and playing an unfamiliar position, next to a second year guy, under norv.

            Again, “not knowing what you have, does not translate to “holes”.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            Yeah, we obviously have different definitions of the word “hole” when it pertains to a position on the roster. To me, a hole implies a position that needs to be filled with better talent than what we currently have. I can be inserted into the roster to fill a hole as well, but would I really fill a hole? Not even close, that’s just silly.

            Dunlap/Harris/Haslem at T is a hole. Why? Because none of them have shown that they can play the position adequately. Could it be that Harris has been on a roid regiment, and heavy dose of training during the off-season and comes back a beastly LT? Sure, is it a probability? Not in the slightest. Therefore, I consider LT a hole (as do the Chargers). The same logic applies to the rest of the positions I’ve mentioned.

            Also, I never faulted any of these guys for “under-performance” or being thrown into a starting LT role in the NFL as an undrafted rookie FA. Its definitely not Harris’s fault that was the case. However, its pretty obvious to me that he isn’t cut out to be a starting LT in the NFL at this stage of his career nor am I certain he can be a starting RT.

          • arnie

            Based on your definition of holes, what are you basing better talent on? Did you just look at the players and say, ” these guys suck, we need better players…”? Or did you look at the circumstance in which they played, and formed an opinion in “context”? What i mean by context, i never look a player and evaluate “solely” on there field play. There is coaching involved, playing experience, scheme, play calling. And the former HC, failed in all these categories.

            So as for Harris/ Haslem, how do you come to the conclusion they cannot play the position adequately? You can’t ignore, a rookie un-drafted free agent, was expected to play at an all pro level, in a position, he hasn’t played in? and you logically concluded he is “hole” to be filled? That is taking things out of context. two reason why Telesco doesn’t agree with you, because Harris an Haslem are still on the team. the other, they have already done “player evaluations”, released who they wanted release, and signed FA to fill out the depth chart. “Holes” filled. AlsoI ‘m going to also assume, T&M are way better at this, than you, me, Gelkin and Will.

            In conclusion, what did you mean by, they are not NFL caliber players? How is that obvious? See you can make the statement of, not being certain he can be player in the NFL. sure. but making the statement like that, out of context, of “how” he/they played so poorly, sound just like the band-wagon, that believes what is repeated in the media, over, and, over, and over again…. the Chargers have a lot of holes. baloney.

            The Chargers simply have a lot of young, un-developed players, thanks the former regime. Those are Question marks, not holes.

            peace

          • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

            “It is not in the Chargers best interests to be trading away future picks or players when there is holes all over the roster. Only scenario, like Gehlken points out, is trading back would allow for more draft picks to cover up more holes on the roster.”

            Will Guarra, Pro Football Zone

            http://profootballzone.com/nfl/chargers-have-received-a-couple-calls-about-a-trade-on-draft-day/

          • arnie

            You just proved my point i made in the first place. your just repeating what the media says. Gelkin is making a suggestion. An Will Guarra is entitled to his opinion. Telesco has already found value in FA, So his actions doesn’t seem share either of those opinions. If he indeed is after a LT in the first round, and the player he wants isn’t there, he’ll take the best player on the board. And you can believe Dunlap will be the front runner for starting LT.

  • http://boltbeat.com/ Ernie Padaon

    I wish one of the Bolt Beat fam was a sketch cartoon artist! Would be amazing for this article. Tom Telesco as a mad scientist putting together a Frankenstein charger.

    I’m going to draw something awful just for my own entertainment.

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      Lol…. Philip Rivers head with a cracked helmet…wearing a shredded Gates Jersey, with Mathews tattoos on the arms?

      • http://boltbeat.com/ Ernie Padaon

        See…. Wish I could be a cartoon artist for times like this!

  • jonpviv

    I challenge the yes votes to come here and state WHY they believe Telesco is doing a good job.

    • Cgoodness13

      Gaither is gone, our team already is better than last year, and we still have the draft coming up,

    • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

      Because we can’t classify the job he is doing as “bad” and there was no “neither” option.

  • Gunnar Martin

    Polls are great

  • arnie

    Good article Pete.

    I’ll get this rollin’. How do you classify, or “justify”, as some might suggest, that Telesco is doing a good job? First you need to understand what doing a “bad” job looks like. See aj smith. See i never said aj couldn’t find talent, or couldn’t evaluate it. What i did say, “…it takes more than being able to evaluate talent, to be a good GM…”. Realistically if you can run a 4.5 in a forty yard dash, i’d say you’re pretty darn talented. Because 90- 95% of the population can’t do it.

    The other side of the coin is, once you have magically found talent, can you keep it? More to the point, can you maintain the talent pool, after rolling off 5 playoff appearances in 6 years? The Colts did it for decade. Oh by the way, who was apart of that organization? yeah i’ll come back to that.

    Anyway, bad GM, aj had 4 problems…
    1st, He hired norv. as we have seen he did not develop the talent he had.
    2nd, He hired a guy that hired the S&C staff, that kept his players on the trainers and doctors table. (note: you only notice injuries, when the backups don’t play well)
    3rd, He over paid for FA. Not because they where worth it, simply because he put the organization into a corner. ( again see coach he hired)

    4th, He lowballed everyone. not just the depth players, but the 5 time pro bowler Gates and others. If dean had not stepped in, Gates might not have been here.
    These things will add to one conclusion, you get fired.

    Part 2 to follow…

    • jamfed

      I started to write a reply and it turned out to be a page. So I deleted it and I’m only going to say is that I am (was) a HUGE AJ Smith Fan.

      1st, He hired norv (Norv was a good head coach. He could only do what his players were capable of and injuries, depth, interceptions and play calling got him fired.)

      2nd, He hired a guy that hired the S&C staff (I don’t know what this means)

      3rd, He over paid for Free Agents (who? He didn’t keep Vincent Jackson, and got
      Royal, Meachem & kept Gaither. Three for one? And none of them were making
      top tier money. How many teams have lost their starting left tackle and played
      well. AJ Smith never overpaid for anyone… )

      4th, He lowballed everyone. (Who, Rivers? He’s a $100MM quarterback. AJ offered extensions to players just before their peaks, keeping high salaries from crippling a team, like S.Phillips, Gates and Jammer. He used his franchise tag several times on Sporles & Vincent Jackson, so he spent)

      • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

        Overpaid for FAs: Yes. Gaither – he overpaid. Royal: Yes – he overpaid. And not sure about Meachem yet. Gaither with his reputation and off the waiver wire – he overpaid. Come on now, Gaither had a reputation well known. Why would he give Gaither a multi-year guaranteed money deal with his KNOWN history?

        And as to VJax, we all knew he would never get that done. He screwed around with it and decided himself that we did not need Vjax. The same scenario happened with other players–letting them walk out through the Charger turnstyle. And it’s not just me that thinks this. AJ and Norv have turned our team into one of the glaring boondoggles of the NFL. Sports peope around the NFL just roll their eyes when the Chargers are mentioned now.

        Last comment about AJ: He did not manage to accumulate depth at positions Personally, I got tired of seeing AJ do the dumpster diving for players – sort of like what TT is doing now. No reason to believe these guys can perform (Hint: That’s why no one else has discovered them, in general.)

        *As to your point #1: You cannot have it both ways. Either AJ knew how to pick capable players or he did not. Saying that Norv ” could only do what his players were capable of—that sounds like we didn’t have the right players. (AJ issue)
        Then if Norv got fired for bad play calling – sounds like he wasn’t the greatest coach (AJ issue)

        They were joined at the hip. Norv, the bad play caller, was stuck to AJ, the guy that could not keep talent or give Norv players that were capable.

        • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

          Strength and conditioning: I was reading what Arnie was saying. He holds AJ and Norv responsible for that. Check out the surge in injuries we had over the past few seasons. I think arnie is saying that Norv hired the strength and conditioning staff–there really was none or they were inadequate. Too many of our players were on the rehab table instead of on the field. That would be the responsibility of Norv- (the coach that AJ hired).

          Should have replaced that entire strength and conditioning staff a couple years back. They were not doing a good job. The increase in player injuries – their responsibility.

          • jamfed

            Thanks, agreed…

      • arnie

        That’s a typical aj lover response. and what i mean by that, you picked all the facts that favored your like of the man. I like to put “all” facts on the table, i believe Stefanie covered most of them so i won’t rehash what she said.
        i never hated the aj, he did some good things to find talent for this team, but at the end of the day, it takes more than being able to find talent to be a good GM.

    • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

      Thanks, Arnie! Great comments, as usual!

      • arnie

        He i’m just trying to lay down the facts, to find of the “truth”. or get as close to it as i can.

        • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

          I am right there with ya, Arnie… hence this article, and poll. (Which was extremely conclusive, when it comes to how most of the fans of this site feel, IMO). Even if the results are skewed here, you can take this as a fairly accurate cross-section of how most fans feel… but, are they skewed Arnie? I went to the BFTB site last night, and looked at theirs, just to make sure ours wasn’t WAY different. There were more options to vote on, but the results were pretty much the same. I’m sure there are other polls out there that say different, if you dig for them. However, this was all I really needed to see. I’m convinced that the majority of fans are in support of TT so far, despite the not-so-ideal situation & tough decisions being made. I can’t wait for the draft now! I will do this poll again after that… and during the season, and see where it goes from there.

          • arnie

            Pete you’re right. I think it’s a lot simpler than that. TT is the anti-aj. It’s like when all the munckins came out to sing the “wicked witch is dead”. We wanted change, and we were ready for it. we got it. i’m also willing to bet, that same people that voted no, wanted TT to keep Vasquez and get more big-name FA.

        • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

          Until then.

  • Sergio Quintero

    Judging on, is this team better than 7-9 team of 2012, then the answer is no, this team has taken a slight step backwards, and at the end of the day its W’s & L’s. Maybe he’s a magnificent drafter, but until today its a step backwards. You can say he has cleaned the cap & roster, but still this team has taken a step backwards in talent, I voted No.

  • Krank.R

    I actually think that he is doing a good job so far with the salary cap space that was available.He brought one of the better o-line coaches in the league in Joe A. and got another good coach in Ken W. to help out. He has brought in competition for a few of the starting positions on the o-line. And he isnt finished just yet, so how can anyone say that he is doing a bad job? He hired Mike McCoy and that alone has given me faith. We Will Be Ok People!

    • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

      Does the GM pick all the coaches? No. I thought McCoy (the head coach) picks his own assistant coaches? Give McCoy credit for the coaches. TT does not pick the assistant coaches. Pretty soon we will be giving TT a raise because he will be given credit for better food at Charger stadium.

      Whisenhunt, and the o-line coach was a McCoy selection, not TT’s decision.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

    Its crazy to me how all these people wanna criticize Telesco for “not going after big name free agents”. It just shows how clueless most fans are. The Chargers have a very large amount of gaping holes with very little cap room (7M assuming the latest pickups don’t make the team). Was Telesco supposed to spend the rest of the cap on a freaking guard (Luis Vasquez)? The Chargers still have to sign all of their draft picks as well.

    The moral of the story: Telesco has inserted himself into a very bad situation left over from the debacle that is AJ Smith. He hasn’t had the means to do anything to fix the situation besides letting the old have-beens go in an attempt to rebuild. I would love to hear what Telesco should have done differently so far given that the Chargers have virtually no cap space left and the draft still upcoming.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

      Why not just keep what we had then? Unload Gaither, which he did, and be done with it. Why get rid of Franklin? And no one said to spend the rest of the cap on Vasquez. But pay your good players. Vasquez was one of them. After all, this is what we complained about with AJ — letting the good players walk out the door. And just a short note: Telesco says we are not rebuilding.

      Why waste time signing players like King Dunlap? And don’t tell me we didn’t have the money. We gave a nice hefty contract to Derek Cox. So we could have paid Vasquez. On the other side, maybe Vasquez wanted to leave. Bringing on King Dunlap is not the answer.

      Has beens? Vasquez the has been? Franklin the has been? Spikes the has been? Barnes the has been? Martin the has been? Garay? The list goes on. Surely out of all that went out the door, there were one or two that you think should have been kept.

      Guess that is why so many of the has beens got picked up by other teams.

      All these other teams are just stupid and the Chargers are the smart ones.

      has beens vs. nobodies.

      • http://www.facebook.com/stan.zab.3 Stan Zab

        I dont think you understand what a salary cap means. :Lets say the Chargers matched the Donkey’s offer to Vasquez and he remained a Charger…that would mean 0 dollars of cap space left. Which means 0 free agents, which means no Franklin, no Spikes (has been), no Garay (always hurt), Martin, “and the list goes on”.

        Yes Dean has money, however, the Chargers have no cap space to spend money. There’s also dead money (Gaither’s 6 mil still counts against the cap) courtesy of AJ Smith.

        Do you realize before we signed Cox (one of the best cover corners in the league) we had Wright and Gilchrist as our starting CB’s?

        • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

          No, you are the one that doesn’t get it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/lostkiara Stefanie Smith

          Before you criticize on the cap and people’s understanding of the Charger player contracts, do the world a favor and take a basic “Contracts 101″ law class. Seriously, you have no clue what you are talking about.

        • nativesandiegan

          She’s not worth wasting your time on. Just when you think she may be getting a clue, she goes back to her closed mind. “She” is probably an AJ “plant or spy” lol ha ha ha

  • Pels04

    I answered yes because we asked for change and that’s exactly what we are getting. I expected this to happen. We still have a talented enough roster to be competitive and he isnt done yet. This team was stale and lacking in spark. Small things like changing the weight room around, adding new slogans to the walls and re-sodding the practice field will help. I feel like he is setting a new standard for this organization. Young and talented. Cutting veterans and choosing to not re-sign some of our younger players. You have to take into consideration what he was handed and for what he has done so far i say hes doing a good job.

  • RussinSactown

    Truth is how can we possibly know how good a job they are doing until we’re in the season and matching up with teams. I will be the first one to admit I don’t know the ramifications of all of TT’s choices. I voted that he’s doing a good job because the moves he’s making are ones that needed to be made. No one wanted Big Lazy here. He decided to get younger and hopefully meaner. We’ll see how it plays out

  • http://www.BoltBeat.com/ Peter Thompson

    Wow. What a crazy thread! Only 9% of fans who voted think Tom Telesco is doing a bad job. I did NOT see that coming. I’m with Ernie… it felt like there would be more votes for “Bad Job”. I’ll post this again later in the year, once we have some games under our belts, and see which way the vote swings. Thanks for reading guys! Go Chargers!!!

  • arnie

    Part 2…The Good GM

    Let’s start this from the top. A GM’s Duties are, Contracts, Drafting Players, Trades & Free Agency and Working “With” the Head Coach. I thought it was necessary to include this so we can all be clear, what a GM does, before i go on. i won’t dive into the past….

    TT was hired for two reasons. 1) he was apart of finding players, for a team, that saw a straight decade of playoff appearances. Also, played in two superbowls an hoisted the Lombardi once. Do i need to roll out the list of All-pro and “pro-bowlers” he helped find for that squad? 2) he was man #2 in charge, in rolling over a roster, that saw the release of Payton Manning and other FA starters. Picked up a bunch of rookies, an ran that into a 11-5 record and a playoff appearance.

    So far, Telesco’s legacy has yet to be written as the Chargers GM. Under the circumstances, TT has found some depth in FA to help fill needs the Chargers lost. Offered contracts that make sense, under his cap restraints. Hopefully, put together a good draft plan, to find future stars for this team. And doing all the while working “With” his HC.

    He has opened up the organization…

    ….“I wanted change; I wanted a new vision,” Spanos said. “I’m not going to fire everybody. But Tom is very impressive. He did evaluations for us and didn’t even have notes. It was his vision. I’m looking at him to be a unifying factor in this organization.

    “This job isn’t just about picking players. How do you make it all work? How do you unify the team? I don’t think we had that.”…….

    So far i’m not convinced Telesco an crew are going to win a championship this year. but neither did i expect aj in his first year. However, i’m giving them TT the same thing i gave aj ten years ago, a clean slate, and the benefit of the doubt.